Weird Bump on the Side of Hen's Mouth/Cheek

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Hi there,
I was going to see if anyone had seen something like this before, because I can't find a lot of info from doing a search engine. My Salmon Faverolle, Harley Quinn, had a big welt next to her mouth. It seemed to pop up overnight, or went from unnoticeable to very noticeable in a night. I'll try to answer all the preliminaries.

1) Salmon Faverolle, almost 1 year, she is small, but she doesn't feel lighter than before.

2) She seems almost completely normal. I saw her drawing her foot into her feathers while standing on the other, but it is so cold here right now (single digits or teens during day, negatives at night), might be normal. She is eating, but doesn't seem as hungry as the others. I think she seems like she might be feeling a little low, but if it wasn't for the weird bump she would have seemed 100% normal to me.

She has no odor to her, but the side of her mouth looks kind of brownish inside, like the bump is inside, too. I heard about the trich infection and the cryzoa (?) infection, but this looks a little different to me, so I wanted to see if anyone had seen it before.

3) I first saw the bump two days ago (March 1st)

4) I just had an orpington get sick and die, either from a bacterial infection, or parasites that got out of hand too fast for me to contend with. We are still not sure because there wasn't signs of parasites, but we couldn't find any other reasons from our extensive research, and what we tried didn't work (I was trying to get out to buy anitbiotics and dewormer when she stopped eating, and I didn't get them in time, those were the last things I didn't try ). She just passed away a few days ago, our first bird to die of illness in our 2 years of keeping. No one is having any bumps or welts, though.

5) So I have 2 roosters, and sometimes 1 tries to jump on the other while the other flees. It is possible that she got in between them and it is a contusion injury, but I thought it would have gone down after this being day 3. It has looked exactly the same size, or that maybe it got the tiniest bit bigger between day 1 and day 2.

6) I can't think of anything else that could have caused it. No bugs or plants to cause it.

7) She eats and drinks normally. She eats for less time than the other, bigger hens, but I think she always did this since she is small.

8) She had a healthy cecal poop right in front of me yesterday, and I haven't seen weird poos in the run, so I am led to believe that her poo is normal. I can isolate her if it would be beneficial, but I am hesitant to take one hen our of the order and need to put her back in unless necessary.

9) I put some salve on the bump for two days, but then stopped when I realized it may not be a wound. I am hoping to get some ideas for treatment here.

10 ) I would prefer to treat myself since we are tight on money, but I will look into an avian vet if there is a consensus here that it would be a good idea. I basically wanted to find out here (more proactively) if I should treat or look into it since I don't want her dying if I do nothing.

11) Sorry that I couldn't get a better picture, I have a new found respect for chicken photographers.

12) We have a 6x8 coop with a 12x10 run that they always have access to. We do deep litter, but it has been hard for us to keep all of the droppings in the coop covered because our local store has been out of shavings each time that we have gone because of supply chain issues. Our six month old baby and four other kids haven't been helping us have more time to go to the store more often to check, we have been overwhelmed to say the least. We have been turning the run, so there aren't a lot of exposed droppings there. The poops in the coop freeze by morning, but they are still there. I am planning to empty the whole thing this weekend when temps get above freezing and use hay if I have to.

We have almost 20 hens in our flock. Let me know if any one has other questions you can think of.

Thank you so much
 

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It felt really hard when I touched it, not hot, though.

It is only on that corner.

It is possible that she scratched herself on some wire. Do you think we would see the scratch/wound? Or maybe it is inside her mouth?

I will try to open it up and look in better, I have only been out there alone and couldn't figure it out. I'll bring a kid.
 
Okay, so I couldn't get a photo inside her mouth, but I got to look in and take some pictures of the sides.

Inside is a dime sized lesion that was light brown and bumpy on the top left side of her mouth, right next to the raised bump. It feels super hard, like it is made of calcium. The photo shows some of the color at side of her mouth.

Is it possible that it is a tumor, even though it expanded so quickly?
 

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Okay, I went back out and stuck my face right next to her mouth and gave a big sniff and it smelled faintly like potatoes. That sounds impossible with canker. Do you think I need to open her mouth?

I am really confused, a little scared, and not sure where to go from here. If anyone has any insights that would be great. I guess I am going to look into what a vet might cost.

Thank you!
 
I am waiting for the vets to open, hopefully that can be fruitful but I am worried since it is Friday that I will have to ride this a while without any help, I am worried about losing my hen and flock.

I had a few questions-

Can canker lesions be super hard? I read everything I could find, it all described the lesions as "cheese-like". This hen, it felt like a rock.

Also, it is so cold here, is it probable that canker could even be transmitted right now?

How fast can a healthy bird get it and die from it? My orpington was visibly sick for only a week.

I guess I am hoping to have an idea of what I am up against, especially with one bird already gone.

Thank you
 
Like her body surrounded a foreign substance with calcium? I will check as soon as I can get out there.
 
Like her body surrounded a foreign substance with calcium? I will check as soon as I can get out there.
Can canker lesions be super hard? I read everything I could find, it all described the lesions as "cheese-like". This hen, it felt like a rock.
If whatever it was caused a hole or crack in the mucous membrane, it might get filled up with chicken feed, sand etc. and over time build a hard mass.

But it might also be a possible bone tumor. Your vet will surely find out.
 
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