Well I started with a bakers dozen and in the end I had 3 develope to lock down and well long story short I got one chick. The others were developed really well but never pipped. Not sure why but I do have one fighter. Thanks all for the help. I am still going to buy a Dickie incubator but at least I had some luck. I have 5 more eggs left that are a week back so wish me luck there also. Thanks again for the help...