Mrs.ChickChick :
This is a great list threehorses! I have a few questions though....
On the antibiotics, most of these say on the label to use for pigs or cows, and there are different ways to get the product, like powder, liquid, injectable. Also different dosage strengths. Can you tell us the dose you would use for a chicken? and which form you use and why?
Also, why do you use Corid AND Sulmet? Corid is for babies and Sulmet is for adults? Am I reading that right?
The ivermectin I'm completely confused as to what kind and what amount.
The amount of meds out there for livestock is very confusing
as I found out while trying to choose what to get online.
On the antibiotics, it depends on the meds. Most are used for cattle and swine. Many come in different forms. I like LS50 soluble over the injectable form, and Tylan50 injectable over the soluble form (because the TYlan50 can additionally be used as a sinus flush for added healing). I should go back and put which I prefer. On the dosage strengths, it's Tylan50 always for injectable. The soluble is one strength. I prefer not to give a dose here as it depends on the bird and I'd hate someone to read the dose as a blanket dose. Or if the birds meat quality is in question (Tylan bruises meat).
But the reason I prefer most injectables is that birds' digestive tracts are very sensitive and bacteria-dependent. I like to put good bacteria in the gut (yogurt or acidophilis depending on the med) and kill bad bacteria through the system (injections). LS50 is the exception because I just don't feel that using the Lincomycin spectinomycin in an injectable form is as safe. As it does nearly the same as Tylan (resistances being the exception) it's a good choice when I have to treat a flock. I will still treat a flock with injections if I have to - I believe that strongly in the Tylan injectable.
Additionally, I prefer the Tylan with I can choose between it and LS50 because it's only a 3 day treatment. Antibiotics are hard on birds and I like to hit it hard and quick and then let them heal. I don't like 'mycins and 'cyclines in foil packages - well because their required dosage time tells you exactly how inefficient they are. They take 14 days. Tylan takes 3. I choose 3.
The reason I have both Corid and Sulmet is this: First, Corid treats all species of cocci without any antibiotic action. (Cocci are protazoa.) However, in adult birds many times there's cocci resistance and since I don't (yet) have a microscope, it's hard to tell sometimes if it's cocci, or E. coli. For adults, I use Sulmet if I don't know exactly which. For example if there's mucus and blood tinging and diarrhea, I treat with Corid. If there's diarrhea and some blood tinging, and green color, I might use Sulmet in case of E. coli. Also Sulmet has action against pasteurella when some other antibiotics don't. It's handy for flock treatment.
I always use Corid for babies because I dislike the antibiotic action when most times it's absolutely not necessary. So i either use Corid OR sulmet. Corid in babies, Corid in adults for strongly suspected coccidiosis (and it does happen in adults- just less often than babies), and Sulmet for coccidiosis or (???) in adults.
A drawback to sulmet (being a sulfamide) is that it tends to be bacteriostatic - not bacteriocidal - so I don't use it unless I don't have a severe case.
Confusing enough yet?
I should just make another list with the symptoms I'll treat for, not the disease, as diseases are nearly impossible to tell unless specific tell-tale indicators are present (like the fetid smell of coryza, or the wry-neck of pasteurella as well as a mild sick smell).
Pen G procaine is for wounds and peritonitis or salpingitis - egg laying related issues. It can also be used for lower respiratory pneumonia and can have a synergistic effect when used with other meds. As can Duravet/Aureomycin incidentally - they might go back on my list, but I dislike them highly usually again because of the very long treatment period as well as their lack of strength anymore.
Ivermectin, the amount depends on the type one picks. I almost exclusively recommend ivermectin (not any other 'ectin) 5% cattle/swine pour-on (1-7 drops depending on bird size). The reason is that it stays in the system long enough to treat. Ivermectin 1% injection cattle/swine treatment used orally (only) does not without an added chemical to slow down its progress through the digestive tract. (However I do keep the 1% injectable to treat topically for scaley mites on the legs.) I also usually don't give doses in a list of materials as if I recommend a dosage, I nearly always give a disclaimer about using Wazine as a sort of pre-worming as Ivermectin is strong and if used on a heavily infested bird can cause shock/clogging. So you'll rarely see me mention dosages without saying "But use Wazine if the bird meets *any* of these conditions..." etc.
Most of the meds we use are not labeled for poultry though there are poultry dosages. The ones that are labeled for poultry I always go by the label, and usually those aren't the better antibiotics. Ivermectin isn't at all FDA labeled for poultry although it's used extensively for caged birds and poultry.
I'll try to go back and clarify the meds and put some note about dosages without giving them because I'd hate a good med to be used based on a blanket statement by me - or even in the wrong situations. I don't want to see tylan and LS50 become like terramycin - pretty much usually weak and used for any little thing. Superbugs are too hard to combat.
Of course, always always I'm available for PM's concerning dosages and usages. I love PM's and emails.
This is a great list threehorses! I have a few questions though....
On the antibiotics, most of these say on the label to use for pigs or cows, and there are different ways to get the product, like powder, liquid, injectable. Also different dosage strengths. Can you tell us the dose you would use for a chicken? and which form you use and why?
Also, why do you use Corid AND Sulmet? Corid is for babies and Sulmet is for adults? Am I reading that right?
The ivermectin I'm completely confused as to what kind and what amount.
The amount of meds out there for livestock is very confusing
On the antibiotics, it depends on the meds. Most are used for cattle and swine. Many come in different forms. I like LS50 soluble over the injectable form, and Tylan50 injectable over the soluble form (because the TYlan50 can additionally be used as a sinus flush for added healing). I should go back and put which I prefer. On the dosage strengths, it's Tylan50 always for injectable. The soluble is one strength. I prefer not to give a dose here as it depends on the bird and I'd hate someone to read the dose as a blanket dose. Or if the birds meat quality is in question (Tylan bruises meat).
But the reason I prefer most injectables is that birds' digestive tracts are very sensitive and bacteria-dependent. I like to put good bacteria in the gut (yogurt or acidophilis depending on the med) and kill bad bacteria through the system (injections). LS50 is the exception because I just don't feel that using the Lincomycin spectinomycin in an injectable form is as safe. As it does nearly the same as Tylan (resistances being the exception) it's a good choice when I have to treat a flock. I will still treat a flock with injections if I have to - I believe that strongly in the Tylan injectable.
Additionally, I prefer the Tylan with I can choose between it and LS50 because it's only a 3 day treatment. Antibiotics are hard on birds and I like to hit it hard and quick and then let them heal. I don't like 'mycins and 'cyclines in foil packages - well because their required dosage time tells you exactly how inefficient they are. They take 14 days. Tylan takes 3. I choose 3.
The reason I have both Corid and Sulmet is this: First, Corid treats all species of cocci without any antibiotic action. (Cocci are protazoa.) However, in adult birds many times there's cocci resistance and since I don't (yet) have a microscope, it's hard to tell sometimes if it's cocci, or E. coli. For adults, I use Sulmet if I don't know exactly which. For example if there's mucus and blood tinging and diarrhea, I treat with Corid. If there's diarrhea and some blood tinging, and green color, I might use Sulmet in case of E. coli. Also Sulmet has action against pasteurella when some other antibiotics don't. It's handy for flock treatment.
I always use Corid for babies because I dislike the antibiotic action when most times it's absolutely not necessary. So i either use Corid OR sulmet. Corid in babies, Corid in adults for strongly suspected coccidiosis (and it does happen in adults- just less often than babies), and Sulmet for coccidiosis or (???) in adults.
A drawback to sulmet (being a sulfamide) is that it tends to be bacteriostatic - not bacteriocidal - so I don't use it unless I don't have a severe case.
Confusing enough yet?
I should just make another list with the symptoms I'll treat for, not the disease, as diseases are nearly impossible to tell unless specific tell-tale indicators are present (like the fetid smell of coryza, or the wry-neck of pasteurella as well as a mild sick smell).
Pen G procaine is for wounds and peritonitis or salpingitis - egg laying related issues. It can also be used for lower respiratory pneumonia and can have a synergistic effect when used with other meds. As can Duravet/Aureomycin incidentally - they might go back on my list, but I dislike them highly usually again because of the very long treatment period as well as their lack of strength anymore.
Ivermectin, the amount depends on the type one picks. I almost exclusively recommend ivermectin (not any other 'ectin) 5% cattle/swine pour-on (1-7 drops depending on bird size). The reason is that it stays in the system long enough to treat. Ivermectin 1% injection cattle/swine treatment used orally (only) does not without an added chemical to slow down its progress through the digestive tract. (However I do keep the 1% injectable to treat topically for scaley mites on the legs.) I also usually don't give doses in a list of materials as if I recommend a dosage, I nearly always give a disclaimer about using Wazine as a sort of pre-worming as Ivermectin is strong and if used on a heavily infested bird can cause shock/clogging. So you'll rarely see me mention dosages without saying "But use Wazine if the bird meets *any* of these conditions..." etc.
Most of the meds we use are not labeled for poultry though there are poultry dosages. The ones that are labeled for poultry I always go by the label, and usually those aren't the better antibiotics. Ivermectin isn't at all FDA labeled for poultry although it's used extensively for caged birds and poultry.
I'll try to go back and clarify the meds and put some note about dosages without giving them because I'd hate a good med to be used based on a blanket statement by me - or even in the wrong situations. I don't want to see tylan and LS50 become like terramycin - pretty much usually weak and used for any little thing. Superbugs are too hard to combat.
Of course, always always I'm available for PM's concerning dosages and usages. I love PM's and emails.
