What breeds? Please :)

[R2elk]

So what is the correct use of the term "breed"?

Yes all turkeys are from the genus Meleagris. So breed just means genus?
Domestic ducks are from the genus Anas. Does that mean all domestic ducks are the same breed?
What about chickens? They are from the genus Gallus. Are all domestic chickens the same breed?

My thinking was that it went from genus to species to subspecies to breeds to varieties.
Meleagris being genus.
Gallopavo being the species (wild turkey)
M.g.Gallopavo being the subspecies ( south Mexican wild turkey)
Royal palm would be the breed.
Blue royal palm or chocolate royal palm as a variety of the breed.

I didn't think the term "breed" was used anywhere in scientific classifacations. Or used in place of a classification as your using it as the same as a genus.
I believe "breed" falls below the scientific classifacations and starts where we began manipulating and selective breeding of whatever. Turkeys in this case.

The APA (American Poultry Association) recognizes one breed which is Turkey. They recognize (the last I knew) 8 varieties of turkeys which is where the Royal Palm, Bronze, Black, etc. are listed.

Here is the APA link that contains the section for turkeys.

 

[The Moonshiner]

There is a lot of misuse of the term "breed" on the internet.

Still curious what you meant by this?
What's the correct use of the term "breed"?

This isn't a matter of opinion, it is a genetic fact.

All turkeys are Meleagris.

This still makes no sense. Of course all turkeys are genus Meleagris but I don't see why that would make them the same breed. It doesn't work that way with anything else why would it be that why with turkeys. but I have asked this before without a reply so guess my next question would be . where did you get this fact?

The APA (American Poultry Association) recognizes one breed which is Turkey. They recognize (the last I knew) 8 varieties of turkeys which is where the Royal Palm, Bronze, Black, etc. are listed.

Here is the APA link that contains the section for turkeys.

Cause the APA says it then its a fact?
You have to remember when the APA classified them as varieties that was in 1874. That was long time ago and things where a lot different then. The biggest turkey day Thanksgiving day had only been a national holiday for 11 years back then. The civil war had only ended 9 years before.
I think the APA got it wrong. They should of been listed as breeds.
At the time there were only 6 "varieties" accepted. Didn't make much different if they were classified as different breeds or different varieties. It wasn't like now where there are different varieties of a breed.
Things have changed now. I raised royal palms. Palms come in several colors now. It would make more sense if they were the breed royal palms and had breed varieties such as blue palms, chocolate palms penciled palms etc.
Even the APA knows the issue and has came up with a solution.
ARTICLE 6, SECTION 2: ADMISSION OF BREED AND VARIETIES FROM THE AMERICAN
POULTRY ASSOCIATION BY-LAWS.
Paragraph g. No petition for subdivision of any standard variety shall be entertained by the Committee on Standards except
Turkeys.

I'd bet if the APA was to do it all over again today you would see the "varieties" listed as breeds.

 

[R2elk]

Cause the APA says it then its a fact?
You have to remember when the APA classified them as varieties that was in 1874. That was long time ago and things where a lot different then. The biggest turkey day Thanksgiving day had only been a national holiday for 11 years back then. The civil war had only ended 9 years before.
I think the APA got it wrong. They should of been listed as breeds.
At the time there were only 6 "varieties" accepted. Didn't make much different if they were classified as different breeds or different varieties. It wasn't like now where there are different varieties of a breed.
Things have changed now. I raised royal palms. Palms come in several colors now. It would make more sense if they were the breed royal palms and had breed varieties such as blue palms, chocolate palms penciled palms etc.
Even the APA knows the issue and has came up with a solution.
ARTICLE 6, SECTION 2: ADMISSION OF BREED AND VARIETIES FROM THE AMERICAN
POULTRY ASSOCIATION BY-LAWS.
Paragraph g. No petition for subdivision of any standard variety shall be entertained by the Committee on Standards except
Turkeys.

I'd bet if the APA was to do it all over again today you would see the "varieties" listed as breeds.

My suggestion is that if you don't think the APA is right that you should take it up with them.

 

[The Moonshiner]

My suggestion is that if you don't think the APA is right that you should take it up with them.

Well when they come on here and tell me I'm wrong and they're right I'll have a discussion with them about it.
I see that you're not much for a discussion or at least not a two sided one.
I'll be done with this topic now.

 

[R2elk]

Well when they come on here and tell me I'm wrong and they're right I'll have a discussion with them about it.
I see that you're not much for a discussion or at least not a two sided one.
I'll be done with this topic now.

You are welcome to do your own research which will show that the term breed is used to distinguish at the species level and not at the sub species level..

There are 2 species of turkeys.

Ocellated turkeys which are Meleagris ocellata

and all other turkeys which are Meleagris gallipavo