What can I grow? DIY chicken feed.

oats and corn arent great for chickens anyway. mostly empty carbs

If someone is trying to provide ALL their own chicken feed, those grains can be very important as a source of calories. Chickens do need a certain amount of energy each day, provided by either carbs or fat. But it is impossible to make a suitable chicken diet from only grains, so they definitely need other things too.

Chickens need plenty of protein as well, and that is often more expensive, and harder to store. Bugs are one source, fish are another, soybeans and other beans are also sources, and actual meat is another source of protein. For example, if someone hunts deer, they might feed some of that to the chickens (especially the parts the human doesn't feel like eating.)

Protein needs to include the right balance of amino acids. That can be done with analysis and supplementation. This is typically needed if the protein is coming mostly from plant sources. Or you can do what people did about a hundred years ago, and use actual meat (including fish, bugs, and maybe dairy products.) Those tend to have the right amino acids in proportions that work fairly well for chickens, so it saves a lot of figuring at the cost of using more expensive ingredients.

Vitamins and minerals are needed in smaller amounts, but are very important too. Free-choice calcium (usually oyster shell) is easy to provide. Other vitamins and minerals are found in grains, green plants, meat & other protein sources, etc. Different foods provide different vitamins and minerals. Chickens that forage over a wide area of ground might be able to balance their own vitamin & mineral needs, or they might not. Some areas of land are deficient in certain minerals, and the plants that grow on that land are also deficient, so any chicken foraging on that land would be deficient too.

I’m going to try to plant some things to grow and dry for our chickens, in the event that chicken feed becomes hard to acquire at some point. People used to grow their own feed, right? All the percentages of protein and minerals and yada yada yada, weren’t overanalyzed to death (this sentence may have triggered some of you, hopefully not). I don’t want to HAVE to buy things from the store. So share your thoughts with me.
If you plan on buying supplements, consider whether those would be available when you need them. Some things, like oyster shell, can be stockpiled to use later (the calcium isn't going anywhere, no matter how long you store it.) But some kinds of vitamin supplements cannot be stored very long, because the vitamins degrade with time. There's no point in adding a "vitamin supplement" that no longer has the vitamins!

Storing things like grains and protein sources requires that you protect them from bugs and rodents, and they also degrade in some ways over time. So it can be fine to store corn in the fall to feed in the spring, but I wouldn't try to store it for 5 years. And of course perisables (like fish and meat) need to be dried out, or frozen, or canned, or sourced fresh as needed.

How does one actually feed their chickens, from their own back yard?
Start with the basic idea that they are omnivores. So they eat animal-based foods and plant-based foods. They need plenty of protein, enough calories, and a variety of other things. A reasonable chicken diet might look a lot like a reasonable human diet, but without the fat/sugar/salt we usually add to make things taste "better."
 
If someone is trying to provide ALL their own chicken feed, those grains can be very important as a source of calories. Chickens do need a certain amount of energy each day, provided by either carbs or fat. But it is impossible to make a suitable chicken diet from only grains, so they definitely need other things too.

Chickens need plenty of protein as well, and that is often more expensive, and harder to store. Bugs are one source, fish are another, soybeans and other beans are also sources, and actual meat is another source of protein. For example, if someone hunts deer, they might feed some of that to the chickens (especially the parts the human doesn't feel like eating.)

Protein needs to include the right balance of amino acids. That can be done with analysis and supplementation. This is typically needed if the protein is coming mostly from plant sources. Or you can do what people did about a hundred years ago, and use actual meat (including fish, bugs, and maybe dairy products.) Those tend to have the right amino acids in proportions that work fairly well for chickens, so it saves a lot of figuring at the cost of using more expensive ingredients.

Vitamins and minerals are needed in smaller amounts, but are very important too. Free-choice calcium (usually oyster shell) is easy to provide. Other vitamins and minerals are found in grains, green plants, meat & other protein sources, etc. Different foods provide different vitamins and minerals. Chickens that forage over a wide area of ground might be able to balance their own vitamin & mineral needs, or they might not. Some areas of land are deficient in certain minerals, and the plants that grow on that land are also deficient, so any chicken foraging on that land would be deficient too.


If you plan on buying supplements, consider whether those would be available when you need them. Some things, like oyster shell, can be stockpiled to use later (the calcium isn't going anywhere, no matter how long you store it.) But some kinds of vitamin supplements cannot be stored very long, because the vitamins degrade with time. There's no point in adding a "vitamin supplement" that no longer has the vitamins!

Storing things like grains and protein sources requires that you protect them from bugs and rodents, and they also degrade in some ways over time. So it can be fine to store corn in the fall to feed in the spring, but I wouldn't try to store it for 5 years. And of course perisables (like fish and meat) need to be dried out, or frozen, or canned, or sourced fresh as needed.


Start with the basic idea that they are omnivores. So they eat animal-based foods and plant-based foods. They need plenty of protein, enough calories, and a variety of other things. A reasonable chicken diet might look a lot like a reasonable human diet, but without the fat/sugar/salt we usually add to make things taste "better."
I make vitamin and mineral tinctures for my family using plants. We don’t take supplements, and we’ve been so much better for it honestly. Some plants are very high in specific forms of both. I planned on researching this more. Im basically surrounded by farms, woodland, and lakes. The lakes are full of fish and clams (wondering if clam shells could be used in place of oyster shells).

I’ve got lots of ideas (too many probably 😂), I just need to get a better understanding of what they need, and see if I can make that work with what I have around me.
 
(wondering if clam shells could be used in place of oyster shells).
Yes, they probably could. You would need to break them up into pieces the chickens can swallow (similar sizes to what rocks they choose as grit.)

I make vitamin and mineral tinctures for my family using plants. We don’t take supplements, and we’ve been so much better for it honestly. Some plants are very high in specific forms of both. I planned on researching this more.
You should not have to make vitamin and mineral tinctures for the chickens, just let them eat the plants involved (assuming the plants are not otherwise poisonous.) For people making dry pelleted feeds, a vitamin/mineral supplement definitely is required. But those century-old chicken books you mentioned would have feed recipes that get most of the vitamins & minerals from the other food ingredients (greens, meat/fish, etc.)

Fish can be a healthy food for the chickens, but most sources say feeding fish to chickens can cause the eggs and meat from the chickens to taste fishy. You should be able to figure out your own tolerances through experimentation-- different people may tolerate different levels of "fishy" eggs. If you are not selling eggs, you will only need to please yourself and your own household.
 
Yes, they probably could. You would need to break them up into pieces the chickens can swallow (similar sizes to what rocks they choose as grit.)


You should not have to make vitamin and mineral tinctures for the chickens, just let them eat the plants involved (assuming the plants are not otherwise poisonous.) For people making dry pelleted feeds, a vitamin/mineral supplement definitely is required. But those century-old chicken books you mentioned would have feed recipes that get most of the vitamins & minerals from the other food ingredients (greens, meat/fish, etc.)

Fish can be a healthy food for the chickens, but most sources say feeding fish to chickens can cause the eggs and meat from the chickens to taste fishy. You should be able to figure out your own tolerances through experimentation-- different people may tolerate different levels of "fishy" eggs. If you are not selling eggs, you will only need to please yourself and your own household.
Boy, fishy eggs do not sound appealing. 😂 Thanks for this information!

Yes, I wouldn’t make them tinctures, just dry specific plants and add it to their feed. I need to look in to this more though, but do help the books I’ve ordered will help!
 
Yes, I wouldn’t make them tinctures, just dry specific plants and add it to their feed. I need to look in to this more though, but do help the books I’ve ordered will help!
For much of the year, you might not even have to dry the plants. Just have them growing where the chickens have access to them, or cut them fresh and toss them to the chickens. But yes, drying might be needed to store them for the winter.

Be aware that some vitamins are affected by the drying process. For example, dry hay has less vitamin A than the green plants it was made from. Letting the hay sit in the sun reduces that amount further. (I don't know enough details to help much with this, so I'm just giving you another direction to extend your research.)
 
I got some feed/poultry books that are almost 100 years old, on the way. I know many things are obviously different between now and then, but I like to have a starting point of understanding how things used to work compared to how they work now. Figure out the in betweens and go from there!
there is a lot online free now; have a rummage around these digital repositories
e.g. Lewis Wright Illustrated book of poultry (very famous in its day)
https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=hvd.hn4kga&view=1up&seq=9
Robinson Poultry craft
https://www.biodiversitylibrary.org/item/69879#page/7/mode/1up
Jasper The Flemish system of poultry rearing
https://archive.org/details/cu31924003207077/mode/2up
feeding fish to chickens can cause the eggs and meat from the chickens to taste fishy
that's a myth. Mine eat sardines about once a fortnight and no-one has ever detected a fishy taint. Some commercial poultry feed uses fish meal as a source of protein and vitamins, e.g. scratch & peck organic grower crumbles.
 
there is a lot online free now; have a rummage around these digital repositories
e.g. Lewis Wright Illustrated book of poultry (very famous in its day)
https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=hvd.hn4kga&view=1up&seq=9
Robinson Poultry craft
https://www.biodiversitylibrary.org/item/69879#page/7/mode/1up
Jasper The Flemish system of poultry rearing
https://archive.org/details/cu31924003207077/mode/2up

that's a myth. Mine eat sardines about once a fortnight and no-one has ever detected a fishy taint. Some commercial poultry feed uses fish meal as a source of protein and vitamins, e.g. scratch & peck organic grower crumbles.
Thank you for sharing these resources!! ❤️
 
that's a myth. Mine eat sardines about once a fortnight and no-one has ever detected a fishy taint. Some commercial poultry feed uses fish meal as a source of protein and vitamins, e.g. scratch & peck organic grower crumbles.
Sardines once a fortnight may be very different than lots of fish every day.

The sources I have read usually say to limit the amount of fish to a certain percent of the diet, not to avoid it entirely. That is also consistent with there being some in commercially-produced foods.

I have no personal experience, which is why I said "most sources say," and suggested testing it.

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there is a lot online free now; have a rummage around these digital repositories
Robinson Poultry craft
https://www.biodiversitylibrary.org/item/69879#page/7/mode/1up

One of the books you just linked, Robinson Poultry Craft, says this on page 98:
"FISH SCRAPS and DESICCATED FISH are, near the sea coast, staple articles of animal food for poultry. Fish products impart a rather strong odor to eggs and flesh, and are often on that account objectionable."

So there is a specific source, recommended by yourself, for the idea that fish CAN affect the flavor of the chicken eggs and meat, in a way that some people find objectionable.
 
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Sardines once a fortnight may be very different than lots of fish every day.

The sources I have read usually say to limit the amount of fish to a certain percent of the diet, not to avoid it entirely. That is also consistent with there being some in commercially-produced foods.

I have no personal experience, which is why I said "most sources say," and suggested testing it.

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One of the books you just linked, Robinson Poultry Craft, says this on page 98:
"FISH SCRAPS and DESICCATED FISH are, near the sea coast, staple articles of animal food for poultry. Fish products impart a rather strong odor to eggs and flesh, and are often on that account objectionable."

So there is a specific source, recommended by yourself, for the idea that fish CAN affect the flavor of the chicken eggs and meat, in a way that some people find objectionable.
good catch! and confirming the relevance of quantity, in this as in all other things :p
 
I am a duck person. But I will be starting chickens soon. In Storey's guide to raising ducks, Dave Holderread gets VERY specific on combinations of food vitamins and minerals. He also noted that sometimes the commercial producers screw up and fail to add a critical component (along with specific examples of the results of those failures). So.... try checking Storey's guides. You might get the technical info needed to ensure your flock remains in optimum health. I am confident that an intelligent, competent human can produce suitable feed just like the factory can. (The feed factory is run by humans after all. :) )

See example image from the book:
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You can even purchase pelleters to create pelleted feed if you were enthusiastic enough, but just presenting the right combinations will probably be adequate.

**edit: Granted, it is more difficult than just buying a bag of formulated food, though.
 
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