What can we do on a small urban property? **WARNING*** this is a really long post!

mickey328

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Oh, how I wish we could afford even a couple acres! But it's not in our foreseeable future. We have about .25 acre, about half of which is house. We took out the grass on our front yard a couple years ago (broke my dang hip unloading the machine, but that's another story, LOL) We mulched it heavily and have since been sort of "spot planting" various items. We figured we could make a nice looking (if different) yard that would put the water to much better use than grass which just has to be cut all the time.

We planted a plot of strawberries in the middle which seems only to produce...more strawberry plants, LOL. The plot has grown nicely in the last couple years though and I think in the next couple of months we'll be thinning it to encourage more berries. We won't be able to get a LOT of them in that space but it'll be enough for treats and a batch of jam or two. We also put in some flowers here and there and other ornamental plants. This spring I sowed 3 patches (about 2' x 4' each) of oats, and one patch of clover, and a couple comfrey plants. I'd intended to use them in my various herbal concoctions but have since discovered the chickens love the stuff, so it's mostly gone to them. Being in patches rather than regimented rows fits in with the overall scheme and the plants themselves are quite attractive.

In an effort to help reduce the cost of chicken feed, I plan on a few patches of winter wheat and rye and then in the spring, some alfalfa and more oats (I feed the tops to the chickens and when the stalks are all completely dry I'll cut them and use them for bedding in the coop). I'm really excited about the alfalfa since it grows extremely well in our alkaline soil, is perennial, can provide several cuttings over the season, is nutritious in the extreme and is also a nitrogen fixer. Does it get any better?? LOL

Also plan on putting in some sunflowers...regular and BOSS in the spring..for the chickens, of course ;) Thought I could make use of their stalks by planting some runner beans around them. I dry them and we can cook and eat them....and share with the chickens...of course.

We also took out quite a bit of sod in around the edges of the back yard and have the basic structure filling in nicely with perennials and a small raised bed garden. I'm thinking in the spring I'll use a lot of the "in between" space back there for various veggies and herbs. Thought we'd also sow a little alfalfa in with the lawn to let the chickens forage on it. We don't really have the space for a large permanent coop and run, so we made a portable one. The coop's about 4 x 5 and the run is square, 9 feet to a side. We move it to a new spot every 3 or 4 days so the girls always have fresh grass and it doesn't get wrecked by them being on it too long. By the time the rig gets around to a previously used spot, it's had time to renew itself.

We do compost...have a small tumbler and a larger pile that isn't quite so active. Once the veg season is done, we'll move the run onto the garden and let the girls start the cleaning, turning and fertilizing process for us. I'm looking forward to all the new compost we'll soon be getting...that should get the pile more active. Our soil is quite alkaline and contains a LOT of clay...when it's dry, digging is like trying to get through concrete, so it needs constant amending. We don't use any chemicals at all. When we put in our apple and plum trees they got pretty bugged up but a package of ladybugs cleared it right up for us.

We're also planning a cold frame up against the house on the south side so we can grow some cold hardy crops such as spinach, kale and chard through most of the winter...primarily for the birds, of course ;)

Obviously on this small property we can't grow enough to sustain ourselves, although so far I feel we've cut the feed bill by about 25% by supplementing with what we already have on hand, and every little bit helps. We're technically in the county but still in a residential neighborhood, so we're not allowed any sort of livestock...6 hens is all...and no roos. So we went for layers...got 6 started red sexlinks and they've really done well for us. In the 7 weeks or so we've had them, we've given away 3 dozen, eaten a bunch and have 3 more dozen in the fridge. Woohoo! I'll be selling off some of the excess, but that won't amount to much income simply because we won't have that many.

So, in a HUGE nutshell, that's what we have. I'd really welcome any suggestions y'all might have about what more we might do to provide more with what we have.
 
Your set-up sounds lovely! Wish I could see it (hint). You know, comfrey is a fabulous compost activator. You can chop it up and add it to your heap fresh or put some in a plastic bag/bucket, add some water and put it in a sunny spot until it's broken down. A word of warning here: the resulting tea smells exactly like poo. But it's fantastic fertiliser for your plants and it'll get your compost going quickly. So if you can live with the smell...
I had a small space available for veggies and some really rocky soil. I swear, if I could sell stones, I'd have made a fortune of that patch! I grew zucchini, patty pans, lots of beans (bush), carrots, spinach, basil, tomatoes and corn for the chickens. I let the zucchini grow huge, grated it and put it in the freezer for winter (posted a recipe for a yummy zucchini dish in the recipe section recently) and we still have bags full of beans and tomatoes in the freezer. Carrots take up little space and they are delicious fresh from the garden. We had some butternuts on the compost heap which did very well too. I grew Inca corn for the chickens and though the birds were a problem I managed to get about a week's worth of food for the chickens and we had over 100 of them then. They ate more of the spinach than we did, but then I did plant extra with them in mind.
If you want to plant potatoes in a small small space you can use old car tyres. You start with one, fill it with soil and compost and when your potato plants are getting tall place another tyre on top and fill that with the soil and compost mix. Wait until the plant is tall again and repeat. When you got about 8 tyres (or less) stacked up wait for the plant to flower and push over the pile. You'll be amazed how many potatoes you'll get. Put your tyre stack in a spot that doesn't get too much sun though. They can get very hot.
I asked DH what you can do with your strawberries. He suggests mulch and dig in compost. Strawberries don't like an alkaline or clay soil, so what you can do is make a more acidic compost with pine needles (it breaks down slowly and is very acidic) or oak leaves (breaks down quicker and is milder) and dig that into your strawberry bed.
Hope this helps!
 
Thanks, Sumi! I didn't realize strawberries need acid. They seem to do all right in the clay...the plants are growing like crazy but they're not producing as many berries as I'd like. It'd probably help too if we cut the runners back...might encourage them to flower instead. We've got a pretty big job with that bed come fall :)

We tried something similar with potatoes...built a box and kept adding a board and layer of soil as they grew...they were doing great and then in the space of about 2 days...they all died. Even though we'd painted it white to reflect, it got so hot it pretty much cooked them. We're at about 5,000 ft altitude here and the sun is incredibly strong. We've been thinking we might try it again with a tarp over everything but the plants themselves. We don't have a cellar or anything where we can store them, so it's probably not "cost effective" for us...too much work for too little gain :)

Carrots are sort of similar...unless the soil is so heavily amended, it's so compacted they're really hard to harvest. And again, since we really can't store them for long periods... :(

I generally pick our squash when it's small and tender for our consumption. This year I'm letting some of them get really big for the girls. I also grate and freeze the extras in 2 cup portions. I throw one in with chili and spaghetti sauce and such...really doesn't have much taste, but sure adds to the veg intake :) I reckon I could also use some of the huge whack of it in the freezer to give the girls over the winter too, couldn't I? Thaw it to room temp and let them have some "fresh" greens :)

I had read here on BYC about comfrey being a great compost activator and plan to use some on our passive compost pile...hopefully the neighbor won't complain about the smell. I hadn't realized it would be good fertilizer in its own right. Do you make the tea and just pour it around the plants? Or do you dump the whole soggy mess around them? Does the smell last long?

DH is out golfing at the moment (lucky guy!) and he's the better photographer. When he gets back I'll see if I can't get him to take some photos of the yard and get them posted. As with any garden/growing area, it's a work in progress :)

One thing I did sort of "discover" in poking around last night kind of got me thinking. I have a couple flax plants out front that I put in just cuz I think they're really pretty. Duh...I could pick the seed pods and give them to the girls!
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I've been just tossing them in the compost! :( Now I'm thinking I should put in a few more plants.
 
Where we live temperatures in summer sometimes go up to 130* in the sun, so we put our potatoes in the shade. They got some morning sun and that was enough.
If you make comfrey tea you can pour the liquid on the plants and put the leaves on the compost heap, or around the plants. It stops smelling soon after you poured it out, it's just the pouring part that can get rather
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See if you can get a copy of John Seymour's fab book The Complete Guide to Self-Sufficiency. He tells you how to store vegetables like carrots and potatoes, what soil each and every vegetable like... it's a treasure of information.
 
The way our yard is oriented, the only place that really only gets morning sun is up next to the house on the north side :( But I'm thinking if we build something to shade them it might work well. Might give that a try again next year....I really love new potatoes and the ones you grow are always SO much better than anything you can buy!

Hehe, sounds like comfrey tea is a mouth-breathing exercise. I'll definitely try that. I put in two plants and didn't realize how dang BIG the leaves are! I only give the chickens a couple once or twice a week, so there's still way more than I can use for herbals.

On my way now to see if I can find a copy of that book...sounds great! Thanks so much for the recommendation. I'm started to really get excited now about spring, LOL...and it's not even really "fall" yet!
 
We're moving next month and I'm already planning my garden. I'm an addict... Same with chickens. I've already picked some breeds LOL I just love farming, even if it's small scale. There's nothing in the shops that comes close to your own home produce. Ooh, those new potatoes
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And sun ripened tomatoes... Talking of which, I see dinner coming. (DH cooked) I'll tell you a bit more about comfrey later...
O.K. I'm back.
Comfrey is also a great medicinal plant. It's recommended that woman, after giving birth, add some to their bath water to help them recover quicker.
Some time ago I bumped into a guy at a friend's house. He had a horrible sore on his arm which the local clinic couldn't help him with. I gave him some comfrey leaves which he mashed and mixed with glycerine. He applied this to his arm and bandaged it. After a few days his arm was much better.
 
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Oh, how I'd love to have a couple acres! A couple pygmy goats for milk, and they're so darned cute, more chickens and even a roo or two, perhaps a milk cow, a mini horse or two cuz they're cute too...lots and lots of garden space, room for more fruit trees, some rabbits cuz they're cute too and their poo is the BEST fertilizer...it's nice to dream :)

Oh my...that first "all fresh from the garden" meal in late spring/early summer?? Tiny new potatoes, sweet little peas and carrots with fresh herbs, itty bitty squash sliced and sauteed in butter with some garlic and onion...a meal fit for a queen! Then, in the fall...get the water boiling, pick clean and pop in some fresh corn, go back to the garden and pick a couple of juicy ripe tomatoes. Slice them up and stuff yourself! Sheesh, now I'm drooling ;)

I never even bother to buy tomatoes...except from farmers markets for canning. What you see in the stores look like tomatoes but taste to me like soggy cardboard :(

Enjoy your dinner!
 
A book I've really been enjoying lately is called "The Backyard Homestead" (edited by Carleen Madigan), it has sections on everything from gardening to chickens to herbs and edible landscape plants to storage and smoking, with example lay-outs on how to maximize what you can get out of small properties. While it's not as in depth as some other books I've seen, it covers a lot of topics and does a really good job of putting them together in a way that makes sense for a small plot of land, and references more in depth resources for each topic at the rear.
 
My little Orchard/Garden/Chicken Ranch is on 1/4th of our 1/2 acre lot. I started out with ideas of an orchard from here: http://www.davewilson.com/homegrown/gardencompass/gc01_mar_apr_01.html It is truly amazing what you can do with a small area with the right mindset, square foot gardening is another concept that works great for maximizing production in a small space. Also I second the Comfrey recommendation, not only does it make wonderful fertilizer it is high in protein and my girls love it.

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Thanks Hannah, will definitely check that out. I'd really like to do a lot more with what we have.

Muck, that's a great website...I gave it a quick look over and will be checking it out more in depth. At present, we have 2 plum trees and one MacIntosh..all dwarfs. One of the plums is producing very well (going to pick and make jam tomorrow ;) the other didn't flower this year. Still waiting on the Mac to flower and give us some deliciousness. I'd really like to have more...cherry and peach and another apple, probably, but figured we didn't have the space, so I'm eager to learn more about the little orchard idea. Do you have any photos of what you've done? Would love to see some!.

We've been square foot gardening for years; people don't believe how much we can get out of our little 4 x 8 plot :) I stick stuff in the ground all over and most does fairly well. The raised bed garden contains the primo stuff, though. It's been amended the most with compost, lovely rabbit poo and good topsoil. Eventually we'll try to get everything amended like that but it'll take time. After all, a garden is always a work in progress, right?
 

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