What color of coturnix quail is this?

[Crazyquailbabies]

Hey everyone, I ordered some Egyptian Fee colored eggs that had some known variance hatch possibilities, but this quail isn't any of them.

When it hatched, it was a milk chocolate color with yellow eyebrows, and now that it is 4 four weeks old it is a pretty reddish brown all over.

Top left chick pictured here.

3 week old indoor lighting

4 week old outside photos

 

[MeanCheek]

I'd call it a Tibetan or a Scarlett, but I'm still trying to figure out what to call mine that look like that.

 

[Crazyquailbabies]

I'd call it a Tibetan or a Scarlett, but I'm still trying to figure out what to call mine that look like that.

Someone in a Facebook group thought it might be a scarlet fee. I'm thinking it could also be a red range, but I think either way it may have the fee gene just because it has the lighter feather patterns mixed in. It certainly has me stumped.

 

[Nabiki]

That's a rosetta.

 

[MamaBirds_Quail]

I know this is one of an old post, but I’m wondering if you’ve got pictures of your adult Egyptian fees? I have one chick I can’t decide whether she’s an autumn amber, or an Egyptian fee.

 

[FloorCandy]

I know this is one of an old post, but I’m wondering if you’ve got pictures of your adult Egyptian fees? I have one chick I can’t decide whether she’s an autumn amber, or an Egyptian fee. View attachment 3294352

That bird is what happens when you cross a regular Italian (1 copy of fawn gene) to wild pattern. Since italian is incompletely dominant, you can breed varrying strengths into it by crossing in more of the recessive genes. I believe some people called this speckled italian.

I feel like it’s roux, (autumn amber), but the photo makes it a bit hard to see if it has black on it or just dark brown. A roux bird will not have any black.

It could have 1 copy of fee. fee doesn’t affect roux as strongly as it does browns, and it can show very differently in Italian roux, than an Egyptian roux, the italian will often be more light and peachy and the Egyptian will be kind of darker and more gray highlighted.

Imo this looks particularly good with a tuxedo pattern, like a bright speckled cape.

 

[MamaBirds_Quail]

That bird is what happens when you cross a regular Italian (1 copy of fawn gene) to wild pattern. Since italian is incompletely dominant, you can breed varrying strengths into it by crossing in more of the recessive genes. I believe some people called this speckled italian.

I feel like it’s roux, (autumn amber), but the photo makes it a bit hard to see if it has black on it or just dark brown. A roux bird will not have any black.

It could have 1 copy of fee. fee doesn’t affect roux as strongly as it does browns, and it can show very differently in Italian roux, than an Egyptian roux, the italian will often be more light and peachy and the Egyptian will be kind of darker and more gray highlighted.

Imo this looks particularly good with a tuxedo pattern, like a bright speckled cape.

Thank you! That bird has zero black anywhere so I’d agree with autumn amber by your description of the differences! She does look similar to my Egyptian, but with more cream expecially down her back than solid colored feathers… she’s like my Egyptian hens breast/flank colors, but all over.

 

[MamaBirds_Quail]

Here are all my “not obviously Pearl or Pansy” birds together, for yalls consideration.

The Italian on the bottom, and the brown/white bird all the way to the left have zero black anywhere so they are autumn amber, and autumn amber fee, yes?

The Pearl-ish bird at the top has both very dark (not brown, but maybe not quite black either?) markings *and* bright orange markings (in the same places as black markings would appear on a Pearl) on a white base which I think makes her a fee of something… golden Italian? Calico maybe?

The heavily colored bird top left who is all black and orange (he also has a prominent brown head) is, by my best understanding, a “golden Italian”? Can anyone explain what genes differentiate golden Italian from an Italian? Is this what happens when a male gets a single roux gene?

Then the one in the middle is I believe het Italian/wild? Sparkly Italian? Speckled Italian? … I’m unclear on the difference between sparkly and speckled she is VERY heavily marked everywhere, but has the “wild” type patterning on her back also. She has brown, black, orange and cream in her feathers and each individual feather is more heavily and distinctly marked than the others.

All are hens except for the orange/black fellow which I think tracks because roux is sex-linked so a roux male would need to be homozygous and therefore less likely from a mixed flock, do I have that right?

Here is the sparkly/speckled with her wing out, her flight feathers are particularly striking and have been since she began to feather out

 

[FloorCandy]

Golden Italian is just a term people use to describe an Italian with a lot of yellow, I wouldn’t classify any in the pics to be golden.

A bird that has 2 copies of fawn (italian) is called manchurian. Just like Italian, there’s a gradient because it’s incompletely dominant and other patterns bleed thru, for example, a manchurian that has range pattern mixed in will often end up looking like a pale laced bird (like in chickens) with little v’s on the feathers, instead of the larger more rounded spots or speckles, but can also have big blotches and look pansy. Italians with range pattern bleeding thru will often look like pansies and are often sold as pansies, but then when bred they produce a wide range of Italians, manchurians, ranged, as well as some that look pansy. Fee also has a gradient and birds crossed repeatedly over generations to fees will get lighter and lighter. Your top pearl looks like a very spotty manchurian that has 1 copy of fee, the other light bird also looks like it has 1 copy of fee.

Top left no fee, and the other 2 one copy of fee. I would put them all in the category of speckled italian. It’s hard to say if your male carries roux, you can really only tell strongly if they have fee, because fee will dillute the brown and yellow much more than the red, so the red really pops in the feathering chicks.

Sparkly is completely different, it is a separate gene, a sparkly bird will have a distinct chest pattern. Calico is also a separate gene and not just a color, calico birds will be wild patterned with a distinct curve to the back stripes.

Here’s another bump in the road for you, different hatcheries have different definitions of pansy. Pansy is a gene, and if you order pansy eggs from like southwest gamebirds, you’ll get birds with the pansy gene, if you buy birds off CL or various hatcheries, you may be given Italian/range pansy fakers. I wanna say Myshire has pansy, and people have gotten and bred them and they were actual pansies passing on pansy genes, but I haven’t raised them personally, I have from k dale and southwest and can speak first hand on them having the pansy gene.

 

[MixedBreed]

I know this is one of an old post, but I’m wondering if you’ve got pictures of your adult Egyptian fees? I have one chick I can’t decide whether she’s an autumn amber, or an Egyptian fee. View attachment 3294352

Beautiful quail!