Hey Pat thanks for the great answer to my question. I bought a nice bay colt one time that changed colors 3 or 4 four times before becoming flea bitten gray.
What color will she be??? She's 4 months, new picture.
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They do that. And often the first foal coat doesn't show any indication the foal will be grey later in life.
Ditto on the 'Silver Dapple'. It's a very not-reddish and not-yellowish body color that's similar to a liver chestnut, but it can range from a light sepia color to almost black. The mane is always lighter, sometimes substantially lighter. Silver Dapple is called such because there are usually lighter areas in the basic color that look much like the 'dapples' (roundish areas of lighter tone) found with other colors. It's found in old fashioned Shetland Ponies, Dutch Warmbloods and Icelandic Horses, as well as a few other breeds.
Many of the so-called 'black with white mane and tail' are silver dapplies; the body color, if dark can look black in natural light. Some of the horses referred to as 'chocolate' or even 'black' actually are silver dapplies.
'Silver Bay' is another fascinating color. It's a very reddish color, like a true bay body color. However instead of the usual black mane and tail, the tail is very silver and can at times shade almost to totally white/silver. It's seen in Welsh Ponies as well as a few other breeds.
About a third of the way down this page, there's an Icelandic Horse showing silver dapple color with a fairly dark body color: http://www.gaitedhorses.net/Articles/Color/colorinheritance.shtml
And on this pic, is a silver bay: http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl...P0QGilrX5CA&page=1&ndsp=24&ved=1t:429,r:2,s:0
Ditto on the 'Silver Dapple'. It's a very not-reddish and not-yellowish body color that's similar to a liver chestnut, but it can range from a light sepia color to almost black. The mane is always lighter, sometimes substantially lighter. Silver Dapple is called such because there are usually lighter areas in the basic color that look much like the 'dapples' (roundish areas of lighter tone) found with other colors. It's found in old fashioned Shetland Ponies, Dutch Warmbloods and Icelandic Horses, as well as a few other breeds.
Many of the so-called 'black with white mane and tail' are silver dapplies; the body color, if dark can look black in natural light. Some of the horses referred to as 'chocolate' or even 'black' actually are silver dapplies.
'Silver Bay' is another fascinating color. It's a very reddish color, like a true bay body color. However instead of the usual black mane and tail, the tail is very silver and can at times shade almost to totally white/silver. It's seen in Welsh Ponies as well as a few other breeds.
About a third of the way down this page, there's an Icelandic Horse showing silver dapple color with a fairly dark body color: http://www.gaitedhorses.net/Articles/Color/colorinheritance.shtml
And on this pic, is a silver bay: http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl...P0QGilrX5CA&page=1&ndsp=24&ved=1t:429,r:2,s:0
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.especially after my friend's smoky blue color foal out of a chestnut mare and by a chestnut stallion, turned into a very definite black
Umm... that's genetically impossible. Either one chestnut is a bay in hiding (extremely limited points that are covered by white socks) or that stallion did not breed that mare. Red horses (chestnut /sorrel) can only produce red horses when bred together. See http://www.horse-genetics.com/chestnut-horses.html , http://www.ultimatehorsesite.com/colors/chestnut.html , and also for the OP try this color calculator http://www.horsetesting.com/CCalculator3.asp.
If you tried to register a black out of 2 chestnuts to registries like aqha where they keep track of colors you would be turned down because it is not possible. I've had people contact me because we got our mares from the same guy but theirs went through a middleman who lied and claimed it was his chestnut/sorrel stallion that bred them instead of the stallion by the original owner. Then the sorrel/chestnut mares popped out bays (bay is genetically black with a gene to restrict the black to the points). Oopsy. So he got caught in a lie when aqha refused the registration and they were trying to track down the correct papers.
Umm... that's genetically impossible. Either one chestnut is a bay in hiding (extremely limited points that are covered by white socks) or that stallion did not breed that mare. Red horses (chestnut /sorrel) can only produce red horses when bred together. See http://www.horse-genetics.com/chestnut-horses.html , http://www.ultimatehorsesite.com/colors/chestnut.html , and also for the OP try this color calculator http://www.horsetesting.com/CCalculator3.asp.
If you tried to register a black out of 2 chestnuts to registries like aqha where they keep track of colors you would be turned down because it is not possible. I've had people contact me because we got our mares from the same guy but theirs went through a middleman who lied and claimed it was his chestnut/sorrel stallion that bred them instead of the stallion by the original owner. Then the sorrel/chestnut mares popped out bays (bay is genetically black with a gene to restrict the black to the points). Oopsy. So he got caught in a lie when aqha refused the registration and they were trying to track down the correct papers.
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Umm... that's genetically impossible. Either one chestnut is a bay in hiding (extremely limited points that are covered by white socks) or that stallion did not breed that mare. Red horses (chestnut /sorrel) can only produce red horses when bred together. See http://www.horse-genetics.com/chestnut-horses.html , http://www.ultimatehorsesite.com/colors/chestnut.html , and also for the OP try this color calculator http://www.horsetesting.com/CCalculator3.asp.
If you tried to register a black out of 2 chestnuts to registries like aqha where they keep track of colors you would be turned down because it is not possible. I've had people contact me because we got our mares from the same guy but theirs went through a middleman who lied and claimed it was his chestnut/sorrel stallion that bred them instead of the stallion by the original owner. Then the sorrel/chestnut mares popped out bays (bay is genetically black with a gene to restrict the black to the points). Oopsy. So he got caught in a lie when aqha refused the registration and they were trying to track down the correct papers.
x2. Getting black out of two chessies is impossible...
Unless the father was actually primitive bay and they didn't know the difference. Primitive bays have very little, if any, leg markings and black or dark manes/tails... often called chestnuts when they are not.
Umm... that's genetically impossible. Either one chestnut is a bay in hiding (extremely limited points that are covered by white socks) or that stallion did not breed that mare. Red horses (chestnut /sorrel) can only produce red horses when bred together. See http://www.horse-genetics.com/chestnut-horses.html , http://www.ultimatehorsesite.com/colors/chestnut.html , and also for the OP try this color calculator http://www.horsetesting.com/CCalculator3.asp.
If you tried to register a black out of 2 chestnuts to registries like aqha where they keep track of colors you would be turned down because it is not possible. I've had people contact me because we got our mares from the same guy but theirs went through a middleman who lied and claimed it was his chestnut/sorrel stallion that bred them instead of the stallion by the original owner. Then the sorrel/chestnut mares popped out bays (bay is genetically black with a gene to restrict the black to the points). Oopsy. So he got caught in a lie when aqha refused the registration and they were trying to track down the correct papers.
x2. Getting black out of two chessies is impossible...
Unless the father was actually primitive bay and they didn't know the difference. Primitive bays have very little, if any, leg markings and black or dark manes/tails... often called chestnuts when they are not.
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A silver bay filly is what I was hoping for. She's a sweet filly and I guess that's good enough. What color is a blue roan at birth?
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Blacks are born a black to blue to mousy brown/grey so I would imagine a blue roan is the same with white on the rump that may not be noticeable with the color.
This site has colors of foals including silver dapple http://www.grullablue.com/colors/foalcolors.htm
This site has colors of foals including silver dapple http://www.grullablue.com/colors/foalcolors.htm
Forgot to put my 2 cents in about the color XD Honestly, I'm not sure. Beautiful foal, beautiful mare.
Most of the roans I've seen looked completely normal as young foals, and shed out roan.
I was under the belief that silver dapple foals, of any variation, are born a cream color and shed out to be SD black or SD bay? I've never been around the color IRL so I could be wrong.
Most of the roans I've seen looked completely normal as young foals, and shed out roan.
I was under the belief that silver dapple foals, of any variation, are born a cream color and shed out to be SD black or SD bay? I've never been around the color IRL so I could be wrong.
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Roans will show they are roan at birth. This is a one day old bay roan
See the white ticking on her rump. Much easier to see in person but you can see in the pic how the shading changes after the flank. It starts at the rump, then the ears, and then spreads to meet itself.
1month old
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v244/aqh88/horse/babies/July 2006/DSC00418.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v244/aqh88/horse/babies/July 2006/DSC00417.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v244/aqh88/horse/babies/July 2006/DSC00423.jpg
2 months old
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v244/aqh88/horse/babies/August 2nd 2006/DSC00488.jpg
However if the horse is born very light or ticked with light hairs already from other color genes you might not be able to see the very light roan marks.
See the white ticking on her rump. Much easier to see in person but you can see in the pic how the shading changes after the flank. It starts at the rump, then the ears, and then spreads to meet itself.
1month old
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v244/aqh88/horse/babies/July 2006/DSC00418.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v244/aqh88/horse/babies/July 2006/DSC00417.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v244/aqh88/horse/babies/July 2006/DSC00423.jpg
2 months old
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v244/aqh88/horse/babies/August 2nd 2006/DSC00488.jpg
However if the horse is born very light or ticked with light hairs already from other color genes you might not be able to see the very light roan marks.
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Star Fish has light hoofs with black stripes. On the site Akane listed that's a trait of silver dapple. The blue roan has black feet. Guess we'll have to wait and see. I'll post new pictures when she sheds. Thanks all!
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Here is Star Fish at 7 days old.
And with my 6 year old grand daughter.
And with my 6 year old grand daughter.
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