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Thanks That is a keeper for sure.
Thanks That is a keeper for sure.
What do we feed them when commercial massproduced petro-feeds go away?
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That is one terrific list of remedies.
That is one terrific list of remedies.
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cindyanne1...my question is, if what's concerning you is the fact that it takes petrol to ship commercial chicken feed, doesn't it take petrol to ship everything else too? [... :
Some of us might be able to grow enough sunflower seeds, corn, and oats to feed our chickens as well as ourselves, but certainly not a majority of us.
...but I don't think shutting down the shipping industry is the way to go about it.
The shipping industry is already shutting itself down. Lack of cheap subsidised fuels will bring it down. Some essentials are already missing from the shelves; prices are beyond ridiculous whilst my real salary has gone down. The collapse has already started. American retailers rely on Just-In-Time stocking; there is no back stock; everything depends on the next truck showing up.
It takes not only energy to move a commodity from point A to point B; it adds value as surely as someone has 'worked it up'; e.g. baked flour into bread. The bread is worth more than the flour plus the other ingredients; what has been produced at point A is more valuable at point B (as long as somebody wants it there) than at point A.
You may ask; then, why is a sack of chickenfeed from China, or California --- selling cheaper than a sack of chickenfeed produced locally? Subsidies and credit.
1. The transport fuel is so heavily subsidised, it's improbable to track all the real costs; including the incidental oil spills in the ocean, and the constant wars.
2. It's on credit. The real cost comes later. Chinese planners think in the much longer term and are doubtless worried about the demise of the USD and possibly with it, the US as an entity and a captive market.
But my learned colleagues who stayed in Economics are saying that the recession ends soon [MSNBC, June 16, on official predictions by Phil Mintz]. So even if I'm full of it, I will have had a great adventure in learning lost skills, eating excellent local food and having gotten in the best healthy shape than ever.
Some of us might be able to grow enough sunflower seeds, corn, and oats to feed our chickens as well as ourselves, but certainly not a majority of us.
...but I don't think shutting down the shipping industry is the way to go about it.
The shipping industry is already shutting itself down. Lack of cheap subsidised fuels will bring it down. Some essentials are already missing from the shelves; prices are beyond ridiculous whilst my real salary has gone down. The collapse has already started. American retailers rely on Just-In-Time stocking; there is no back stock; everything depends on the next truck showing up.
It takes not only energy to move a commodity from point A to point B; it adds value as surely as someone has 'worked it up'; e.g. baked flour into bread. The bread is worth more than the flour plus the other ingredients; what has been produced at point A is more valuable at point B (as long as somebody wants it there) than at point A.
You may ask; then, why is a sack of chickenfeed from China, or California --- selling cheaper than a sack of chickenfeed produced locally? Subsidies and credit.
1. The transport fuel is so heavily subsidised, it's improbable to track all the real costs; including the incidental oil spills in the ocean, and the constant wars.
2. It's on credit. The real cost comes later. Chinese planners think in the much longer term and are doubtless worried about the demise of the USD and possibly with it, the US as an entity and a captive market.
But my learned colleagues who stayed in Economics are saying that the recession ends soon [MSNBC, June 16, on official predictions by Phil Mintz]. So even if I'm full of it, I will have had a great adventure in learning lost skills, eating excellent local food and having gotten in the best healthy shape than ever.
My husband is constantly laughing at the things " I need" for the chicks and ducks. In fact we just had a dirt kicking contest over the chicken wire. He is building the coop and then the run so we went to buy wire and I said oh no we can't use coop wire. He laughed at me,..he said the chicks will be locked up at night, the run is for the daytime,..the dogs pee all over the joint stop overthinking things. We constantly are going back and forth because remember he was raised on a farm,..hundred of cows and chicks and horses and the lot and he said the things I need, his father would be laughing at me about.
I hate to say it but I saw the coop my inlaws had. They had aged and the cows were gone and the horses too, all that was left was squash and corn fields and chicks. Needless to say, his coop was not anything like ours, it was chicken coop wire, a small makeshift hut, his chicks freeranged and dropped eggs in places my mother in law knew about. She always left a particular egg there and said if you took that one they wouldn't lay there anymore. They just knew things about chicks I could never come to know. Did they every lose one to a dog, coyote or hawk. Nope, hmmmm well maybe a better way is to say if they did I sure didn't hear about it. I guess the chicks knew when to bolt and if something was trying to make it's way in, my father inlaw helped them find their way anywhere else but.
What did he feed them, cracked corn, corn on the cob, my other in law ground it herself,... nothing special, and of course they free ranged.
I am thinking my husband is right, maybe I am overthinking it all. I frankly started out with chicks because I wanted to not depend on the store for my eggs and I also could trust the eggs that I was in charge of feeding the chicks that lay them. But I guess it's true if I am feeding them a store bought mix, I really am not in as much control as I think
I hate to say it but I saw the coop my inlaws had. They had aged and the cows were gone and the horses too, all that was left was squash and corn fields and chicks. Needless to say, his coop was not anything like ours, it was chicken coop wire, a small makeshift hut, his chicks freeranged and dropped eggs in places my mother in law knew about. She always left a particular egg there and said if you took that one they wouldn't lay there anymore. They just knew things about chicks I could never come to know. Did they every lose one to a dog, coyote or hawk. Nope, hmmmm well maybe a better way is to say if they did I sure didn't hear about it. I guess the chicks knew when to bolt and if something was trying to make it's way in, my father inlaw helped them find their way anywhere else but.
What did he feed them, cracked corn, corn on the cob, my other in law ground it herself,... nothing special, and of course they free ranged.
I am thinking my husband is right, maybe I am overthinking it all. I frankly started out with chicks because I wanted to not depend on the store for my eggs and I also could trust the eggs that I was in charge of feeding the chicks that lay them. But I guess it's true if I am feeding them a store bought mix, I really am not in as much control as I think
I love this thread! I'm working on a mix my local feed mill will make, but only so much storage is possible before one must try to determine their own production- my yard can only sustain 2 or 3 without augmenting what can be scratched up. I have 20, so that doesn't work! Need more land!
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That is one terrific list of remedies.
Yup. Stack it high and deep, before it goes the way of ammo.
I might add pine tar to that. It's used by vets and some farmers that haven't yet been foreclosed on wounds. Works well and quick' I tried it on myself and the pain and bleeding stopped and the gash healed up quick.
Also. horse linament. Similar to Chinese Zheng Gu Shui (bone-fixing-water). Excellent on sprains & torn ligaments.
Again, todays doctors are largely booked up weeks in advance, and even then refuse to diagnose or even look at you in too much detail, writing a script for antibiotics or whatever Pfizer is dumping on the market. It would be good to have a basic knowledge of how to do basic fixes on both chickens and people.
Cheers,
Rob
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That is one terrific list of remedies.
Yup. Stack it high and deep, before it goes the way of ammo.
I might add pine tar to that. It's used by vets and some farmers that haven't yet been foreclosed on wounds. Works well and quick' I tried it on myself and the pain and bleeding stopped and the gash healed up quick.
Also. horse linament. Similar to Chinese Zheng Gu Shui (bone-fixing-water). Excellent on sprains & torn ligaments.
Again, todays doctors are largely booked up weeks in advance, and even then refuse to diagnose or even look at you in too much detail, writing a script for antibiotics or whatever Pfizer is dumping on the market. It would be good to have a basic knowledge of how to do basic fixes on both chickens and people.
Cheers,
Rob
Hey Rob, I use Super Glue all the time. I heard it was developed for Vietnam, and to glue wounds shut till the GI gets back to the base from patrol.
I first used in on my dogs. I had an alfa female GSD and she would lay some damage on my younger but much bigger girl. And then the day came, when at nite while moving a speaker that weighed near 80 lbs over the chipped corner of an antique mirror, I cut two knuckles to the bone. that was at midnite, I had insurance, and know I would be at the Hospital for hours behind ALL the NO INSURANCE THUGS WHO GET RIPPED UP IN STREET FIGHTS, and I had to work at 7, this made me decide to fix myself up with the SUper Glue. Cleaned the cut, cleaned small squares of cotton cloth from an old shirt. Soaked the square with glue, pinch the skin shut again. And 3 days latter the wound was healed. AMAZIN true story, within reason, I will always glue from now on. I can show you the cut, and you can barely make out where it happened. Great tip Rob. Thank you for reminding me.
I first used in on my dogs. I had an alfa female GSD and she would lay some damage on my younger but much bigger girl. And then the day came, when at nite while moving a speaker that weighed near 80 lbs over the chipped corner of an antique mirror, I cut two knuckles to the bone. that was at midnite, I had insurance, and know I would be at the Hospital for hours behind ALL the NO INSURANCE THUGS WHO GET RIPPED UP IN STREET FIGHTS, and I had to work at 7, this made me decide to fix myself up with the SUper Glue. Cleaned the cut, cleaned small squares of cotton cloth from an old shirt. Soaked the square with glue, pinch the skin shut again. And 3 days latter the wound was healed. AMAZIN true story, within reason, I will always glue from now on. I can show you the cut, and you can barely make out where it happened. Great tip Rob. Thank you for reminding me.
Pine tar is on the list.
Portalguy,
I know where you're coming from, on the idea of this thread. It's very scary. The farm I live on was originally my grandparents. I guess I could say that when my grandpa died in 64, that the old farm died.
My grandma eventually moved to town, and the old home place abandoned. The barns were torn down. The silage pit went the way of the bulldozer.
And now...the scariest part.......that knowledge....the knowledge of agricultural survival, is now worthless carbon 6 feet under.
I have had the oppurtunity to listen to my grandma, and my dad, though am sure I only gleaned a small fraction of what they knew.
My aunt tells me about the days of the depression, and WW2 rationing. My granfolks relatives would come down from Iowa and visit the farm. They went home with milk, cream ,eggs and butter, and canned goods, and breads. My grandparents who were financially strapped, were the richest people on Earth. My aunt said it took years to figure out why her friends always wanted to come over to her house and play....THEY HAD FOOD!!!GOOD FOOD AND LOTS OF IT!!!!
But my gramps and gram still had teams to work with, and primitive tools to use. They had a wood stove, a shack outside to do their necessaries. A cellar in the ground for food storage. Got their water from a cistern, and a well. Churned their own butter
Now I have personally prepared for a few of the things that come with what you speak of.
2 years ago we had an ice storm here. Some people were with out power for 9 or 10 days. We had temperatures below freezing the whole time. Now get this, many people i know had to throw food from their freezer away....they were not even smart enough to move it to the garage. The aftermath of Katrina is a perfect example. Within 24 hours, many will be back to the stone age.
If society and technology as we know it were to collapse tomorrow.........MY GOD! I really do not know what to say.
I see the news stories of a hurricane coming. People out buying bottled water. And batteries........lol SAD.
Most people today, it is a major catastophre when the air conditioner quits. They could not survive the night in the back yard..
I digress.....I would say you will not need to worry about what to feed your chickens..........you will have to worry about keeping your chickens from being eaten.
My God they have finally done it............enslaved us all.
I know where you're coming from, on the idea of this thread. It's very scary. The farm I live on was originally my grandparents. I guess I could say that when my grandpa died in 64, that the old farm died.
My grandma eventually moved to town, and the old home place abandoned. The barns were torn down. The silage pit went the way of the bulldozer.
And now...the scariest part.......that knowledge....the knowledge of agricultural survival, is now worthless carbon 6 feet under.
I have had the oppurtunity to listen to my grandma, and my dad, though am sure I only gleaned a small fraction of what they knew.
My aunt tells me about the days of the depression, and WW2 rationing. My granfolks relatives would come down from Iowa and visit the farm. They went home with milk, cream ,eggs and butter, and canned goods, and breads. My grandparents who were financially strapped, were the richest people on Earth. My aunt said it took years to figure out why her friends always wanted to come over to her house and play....THEY HAD FOOD!!!GOOD FOOD AND LOTS OF IT!!!!
But my gramps and gram still had teams to work with, and primitive tools to use. They had a wood stove, a shack outside to do their necessaries. A cellar in the ground for food storage. Got their water from a cistern, and a well. Churned their own butter
Now I have personally prepared for a few of the things that come with what you speak of.
2 years ago we had an ice storm here. Some people were with out power for 9 or 10 days. We had temperatures below freezing the whole time. Now get this, many people i know had to throw food from their freezer away....they were not even smart enough to move it to the garage. The aftermath of Katrina is a perfect example. Within 24 hours, many will be back to the stone age.
If society and technology as we know it were to collapse tomorrow.........MY GOD! I really do not know what to say.
I see the news stories of a hurricane coming. People out buying bottled water. And batteries........lol SAD.
Most people today, it is a major catastophre when the air conditioner quits. They could not survive the night in the back yard..
I digress.....I would say you will not need to worry about what to feed your chickens..........you will have to worry about keeping your chickens from being eaten.
My God they have finally done it............enslaved us all.
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OK OK OK My eyes are fully open. I am having no luck with store bought product for parasites. couple of questions: How do I use the old school product? Do I feed it to my chicks? Or do I rub it on them? Where can I find these item: Orange/Rosemary/Clove oils, & Sulphur powder? Will pine tar stop them from eating each other feathers or is that not consider cannibalism? It really mess and sticky stuff. Will it help them from picking at each other if I rub it on them? What about the coop and run? I have been useing Seven 5, and Adams spray. I live in Florida so the coop is mostly open and after 10 monthe the run is all dirt. I have used lime in the nesting boxes and Seven 5 in dust baths. Made them a really nice dust box with sand and seven and no one uses it. I use sand (mason) left over from the pool? Should I have used something different.
Has any one tryed the method of cleaning the coop:
1 take gallon can and use 1/4 qt of keroseen and 1/2 qt of> mineral oil> (2 paint all roost poles and all cracks in wood of building> and knot holes as these mites or lice are living behind the> boards and comming out at night to suck blood.
Got this suggestion a while ago, but now I have just finished up the store bought junk and I am going to give the a try this week end?
I know this is alot of ?? but I love my birds and just was to get the looking and feeling better. thanks to all
OK OK OK My eyes are fully open. I am having no luck with store bought product for parasites. couple of questions: How do I use the old school product? Do I feed it to my chicks? Or do I rub it on them? Where can I find these item: Orange/Rosemary/Clove oils, & Sulphur powder? Will pine tar stop them from eating each other feathers or is that not consider cannibalism? It really mess and sticky stuff. Will it help them from picking at each other if I rub it on them? What about the coop and run? I have been useing Seven 5, and Adams spray. I live in Florida so the coop is mostly open and after 10 monthe the run is all dirt. I have used lime in the nesting boxes and Seven 5 in dust baths. Made them a really nice dust box with sand and seven and no one uses it. I use sand (mason) left over from the pool? Should I have used something different.
Has any one tryed the method of cleaning the coop:
1 take gallon can and use 1/4 qt of keroseen and 1/2 qt of> mineral oil> (2 paint all roost poles and all cracks in wood of building> and knot holes as these mites or lice are living behind the> boards and comming out at night to suck blood.
Got this suggestion a while ago, but now I have just finished up the store bought junk and I am going to give the a try this week end?
I know this is alot of ?? but I love my birds and just was to get the looking and feeling better. thanks to all
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