Glenda Heywoodo
Songster
Glenda Heywood as of 1-16-2017
I was asked what is a frazzle?
actually they are called extreme frizzles or curlies and they do not have feather folicle holes when they molt out the original feathers. Thus many do not have feathers as such when hatched or grow up.
And the extreme frizzling makes them whispy thin with and generally look wet looking
but if you have some very good cochin typed females of regular feathering then mate them to the extreme frizzle if it is a male
or visa versa.
Personally I never did use curlies: as they do not breed good frizzles as their feather quality is so awful and either whispy
or NO FEATHERS AT ALL.
The extreme frizzle is not able to stand the heat or the cold when it becomes a adult as the feathers are not wide enough and dense enough
Here is some information on breeding frizzles
Frizzles are bred in these breed types
featherlegged
rose comb clean legged
single comb clean legged
modern games
old english games and american games
there are no bantam duck frizzles
People have gotten interested in the Frizzle breeds, with its many varities, of large fowl and bantams.
Frizzle is the BREED, the kinds of frizzles are breed type such as Cochin Frizzles, Jap Frizzls, Rock Frizzles, Silkie Frizzles and Naked Neck Frizzles and
Polish Frizzle, Serama Frizzles on thru the breeds. These are the ones now common in USA.
There are several Foreign countries of breeders on EXHIBITION FRIZZLE BREEDERS ON FACEBOOK that have colors of frizzles
we do not have in the ABA or APA Standards.
Also there are Sabastopol Geese. They are the only frizzled feathered waterfowl.
Waterfowl who are(Natural feathered is frizzled by nature)There are frizzle breeds in large fowl and bantmas.
Because good frizzles throw a certain amount of the smooths (1/2 frizzle & 1/2 regular feathered with frizzle gene)
Now you can breed the frizzles to the smoothes. Smooths are the 1/2 frizzle and 1/2 regular feathered frizzles, but have the Frizzle genes.
Smoothes are very important to your breeding plan. If they are good typed do not discard them.
They have a modifying gene when bred to the frizzle side of the breeding they being disposed to a frizzle parent
will then make the breeding ie: frizzle to smooth = 1/2 frizzle and 1/2 smooths in the next generation.
At least 1/3 will be smooth and 2/3 frizzle. Any ways mine always did. I never bred frizzle to frizzle as it caused
so many extra curlies with not enough feather folicles to have good feathering.
Narrow whispy wet looking feathers mostly what amount they did have.
Extreme frizzles most always are hatched without many feathers or lose them after maturity.
Breeding frizzle to frizzle will only breed the feather folicles off the birds and make narrow whispy feathers and not good frizzles.
These birds can not survive either cold weather or hot weather not enough feathers. They only can be disposed of.
You need wide frizzled feathers for a good frizzle of any breed. AND LOTS OF FRIZZLE FEATHERS PER BIRD,
You can try breeding frizzle to frizzle but most times it only is wasted space and feed you spend for nothing.
In the end they are not good frizzles.
Now if some one wants to start breeding frizzles you only need one of the pair frizzled.
Then the next year use the smooths that come out of the breeding back on the frizzles. The frizzle gene is dominent always when bred to straight ( no frizzle gene at all) feathered birds.
THE LEGHORNS CAN BE BRED TO THE FRIZZLE AND MAKE LEGHORN FRIZZLES.
It will take a few yrs of constant breeding for type etc. But the frizzle gene will be there.
this could be bred to a rock frizzle and then breed several yrs to perfect the leghorn breed type away from the rock type.
ALL FRIZZLES need to be bred to follow their breed type. But with frizzle feathering curling towards the head of the bird
in its breed type:ie: cochin, silkie, leghorn, rock, jap, cornish etc according to the ABA breed type for each breed with frizzled feathers.
The American Bantam Assn standard has different breed type colors standardized.
The American Poultry Assn Standard has different breed type colors also.
So be sure when showing at a APA show or ABA show to have the correct standard color and breed type frizzles.
The SILKIES can be bred to the frizzles and make SILKIE FRIZZLES. What breed are you using for frizzle? Probably a Cochin Frizzle is this right?
If so then the feathers on the legs ( if using cochin frizzles, Rocks would have single comb clean legs best breed of frizzle to breed to a Leghorn regular feather bird)
Of the Leghorn Frizzles, have to be bred out of the Leghorn frizzle offspring , these feathers on the legs are called stubs ( any leg
feathering on the Leghorn frizzles).Leghorns are of the Single Comb Clean Leg class.
Also the Leghorn type will need to be bred into the offspring. The tail will have to be bred into them to be Leghorn type.
A rock type frizzle would be better to use with leghorns.
In the Silkie Frizzles If using a Cochin Frizzle you have to have the Silkie feathering, Silkie comb- Walnut type Mulberry color comb,
the turquoise Blue earlobes,also a crest and bearded or non bearded, and 5 toes.None of which are on Cochins.
They seem to have nicknamed silkie frizzles IE: Sissles!!!! Pure bred frizzled silkies need to be shown as frizzled silkies.
So the frizzling has to be gotten and then go back on Silkies only with Frizzled off spring
/same is true with the Leghorns, go back with Leghorns on the Frizzle off spring.
Use your 1/2 frizzle and 1/2 regular feathered smooths that came out of the cross.
I would use frizzle females on the silkie male or Leghorn male, when going to 2nd generationF-1 matings.
The frizzles can be raised alone or with the other birds. If the other birds are not aggresive.
I never raised the large fowl and bantams together, so the frizzles and the modern games
and rocks and what ever I had lived together except at breeding time,
Also the males were all pened seperate at all times after maturing. Then I seperated all breeding pens according to kinds and breeds for the matings.
I usually kept a trio in by them selves.
Remember if breeding Cochin frizzles they need the circle of feathers pulled out gently one by one, in a 3 inch circle in diameter of the soft vent feathers,
plucked from around the vent area feathers of both the male and females. So that fertilization can happen and not be wasted on the feathers.
If not vent feathers aren't removed the sperm stays on the feathers and not in the vent of the female.
Do you have the American Bantam Assn Standard.The new 2017 Bantam Standard has color pictures of birds.
It lists all the breeds of Bantams and Bantam ducks.
The 2017 APA Standard has a lot of color photos of Large fowl, bantams, waterfowl & turkeys.
These books are necessary for any breeder of any breed.
Have a standard you use to look at your birds with to compare photos to your birds
Ask any and all questions I will try and answer them.
Glenda L Heywood Cassville Missouri
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I was asked what is a frazzle?
actually they are called extreme frizzles or curlies and they do not have feather folicle holes when they molt out the original feathers. Thus many do not have feathers as such when hatched or grow up.
And the extreme frizzling makes them whispy thin with and generally look wet looking
but if you have some very good cochin typed females of regular feathering then mate them to the extreme frizzle if it is a male
or visa versa.
Personally I never did use curlies: as they do not breed good frizzles as their feather quality is so awful and either whispy
or NO FEATHERS AT ALL.
The extreme frizzle is not able to stand the heat or the cold when it becomes a adult as the feathers are not wide enough and dense enough
Here is some information on breeding frizzles
Frizzles are bred in these breed types
featherlegged
rose comb clean legged
single comb clean legged
modern games
old english games and american games
there are no bantam duck frizzles
People have gotten interested in the Frizzle breeds, with its many varities, of large fowl and bantams.
Frizzle is the BREED, the kinds of frizzles are breed type such as Cochin Frizzles, Jap Frizzls, Rock Frizzles, Silkie Frizzles and Naked Neck Frizzles and
Polish Frizzle, Serama Frizzles on thru the breeds. These are the ones now common in USA.
There are several Foreign countries of breeders on EXHIBITION FRIZZLE BREEDERS ON FACEBOOK that have colors of frizzles
we do not have in the ABA or APA Standards.
Also there are Sabastopol Geese. They are the only frizzled feathered waterfowl.
Waterfowl who are(Natural feathered is frizzled by nature)There are frizzle breeds in large fowl and bantmas.
Because good frizzles throw a certain amount of the smooths (1/2 frizzle & 1/2 regular feathered with frizzle gene)
Now you can breed the frizzles to the smoothes. Smooths are the 1/2 frizzle and 1/2 regular feathered frizzles, but have the Frizzle genes.
Smoothes are very important to your breeding plan. If they are good typed do not discard them.
They have a modifying gene when bred to the frizzle side of the breeding they being disposed to a frizzle parent
will then make the breeding ie: frizzle to smooth = 1/2 frizzle and 1/2 smooths in the next generation.
At least 1/3 will be smooth and 2/3 frizzle. Any ways mine always did. I never bred frizzle to frizzle as it caused
so many extra curlies with not enough feather folicles to have good feathering.
Narrow whispy wet looking feathers mostly what amount they did have.
Extreme frizzles most always are hatched without many feathers or lose them after maturity.
Breeding frizzle to frizzle will only breed the feather folicles off the birds and make narrow whispy feathers and not good frizzles.
These birds can not survive either cold weather or hot weather not enough feathers. They only can be disposed of.
You need wide frizzled feathers for a good frizzle of any breed. AND LOTS OF FRIZZLE FEATHERS PER BIRD,
You can try breeding frizzle to frizzle but most times it only is wasted space and feed you spend for nothing.
In the end they are not good frizzles.
Now if some one wants to start breeding frizzles you only need one of the pair frizzled.
Then the next year use the smooths that come out of the breeding back on the frizzles. The frizzle gene is dominent always when bred to straight ( no frizzle gene at all) feathered birds.
THE LEGHORNS CAN BE BRED TO THE FRIZZLE AND MAKE LEGHORN FRIZZLES.
It will take a few yrs of constant breeding for type etc. But the frizzle gene will be there.
this could be bred to a rock frizzle and then breed several yrs to perfect the leghorn breed type away from the rock type.
ALL FRIZZLES need to be bred to follow their breed type. But with frizzle feathering curling towards the head of the bird
in its breed type:ie: cochin, silkie, leghorn, rock, jap, cornish etc according to the ABA breed type for each breed with frizzled feathers.
The American Bantam Assn standard has different breed type colors standardized.
The American Poultry Assn Standard has different breed type colors also.
So be sure when showing at a APA show or ABA show to have the correct standard color and breed type frizzles.
The SILKIES can be bred to the frizzles and make SILKIE FRIZZLES. What breed are you using for frizzle? Probably a Cochin Frizzle is this right?
If so then the feathers on the legs ( if using cochin frizzles, Rocks would have single comb clean legs best breed of frizzle to breed to a Leghorn regular feather bird)
Of the Leghorn Frizzles, have to be bred out of the Leghorn frizzle offspring , these feathers on the legs are called stubs ( any leg
feathering on the Leghorn frizzles).Leghorns are of the Single Comb Clean Leg class.
Also the Leghorn type will need to be bred into the offspring. The tail will have to be bred into them to be Leghorn type.
A rock type frizzle would be better to use with leghorns.
In the Silkie Frizzles If using a Cochin Frizzle you have to have the Silkie feathering, Silkie comb- Walnut type Mulberry color comb,
the turquoise Blue earlobes,also a crest and bearded or non bearded, and 5 toes.None of which are on Cochins.
They seem to have nicknamed silkie frizzles IE: Sissles!!!! Pure bred frizzled silkies need to be shown as frizzled silkies.
So the frizzling has to be gotten and then go back on Silkies only with Frizzled off spring
/same is true with the Leghorns, go back with Leghorns on the Frizzle off spring.
Use your 1/2 frizzle and 1/2 regular feathered smooths that came out of the cross.
I would use frizzle females on the silkie male or Leghorn male, when going to 2nd generationF-1 matings.
The frizzles can be raised alone or with the other birds. If the other birds are not aggresive.
I never raised the large fowl and bantams together, so the frizzles and the modern games
and rocks and what ever I had lived together except at breeding time,
Also the males were all pened seperate at all times after maturing. Then I seperated all breeding pens according to kinds and breeds for the matings.
I usually kept a trio in by them selves.
Remember if breeding Cochin frizzles they need the circle of feathers pulled out gently one by one, in a 3 inch circle in diameter of the soft vent feathers,
plucked from around the vent area feathers of both the male and females. So that fertilization can happen and not be wasted on the feathers.
If not vent feathers aren't removed the sperm stays on the feathers and not in the vent of the female.
Do you have the American Bantam Assn Standard.The new 2017 Bantam Standard has color pictures of birds.
It lists all the breeds of Bantams and Bantam ducks.
The 2017 APA Standard has a lot of color photos of Large fowl, bantams, waterfowl & turkeys.
These books are necessary for any breeder of any breed.
Have a standard you use to look at your birds with to compare photos to your birds
Ask any and all questions I will try and answer them.
Glenda L Heywood Cassville Missouri
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