What is she?

[LadiesAndJane]

I can’t believe I actually just read through this whole thread.
It has been quite fascinating!

 

[TheOddOneOut]

Clearly. Even your profile says it.

Well duh. Everyone needs to know!

 

[whitewolf1871341]

Was ‘she’ in there alone?
Any other birds?

And that's ok if you don't I'm here to have a nice time and show off my birds the pretty ones the ugly ones the odd ones and those ones that make everyone go hmmm to get questions answered maybe answer a few and to learn ..you seem to be upset by the fact it may be a hen for that I'm sorry but thank you for your comments and I'll be sure to update everyone in a couple weeks either way have a good night

 

[TPC]

I do not get why people keep replying to this specific thread. Just wait for the (obvious) update and move on! Its not a tricky bird, just a stubborn member. No need to keep arguing.

 

[TheOddOneOut]

And that's ok if you don't I'm here to have a nice time and show off my birds the pretty ones the ugly ones the odd ones and those ones that make everyone go hmmm to get questions answered maybe answer a few and to learn ..you seem to be upset by the fact it may be a hen for that I'm sorry but thank you for your comments and I'll be sure to update everyone in a couple weeks either way have a good night

I…am not? I’m not sure what you mean.

 

[ColtHandorf]

@EmmaRainboe @ColtHandorf @Overo Mare
This new photos show a cockerel, agreed?

Honestly I’m still not seeing one thing that is clearly, 100%, without a doubt making me say the bird is a cockerel. I don’t see any pointed saddle feathers. There’s no true sickle feathers. And while the hackles are a bit weird, I don’t think they are pointed either. That is due to the color of them.

For one minute stop and think. Don’t be confrontational and petulant with a dash of snark.

People constantly confuse Easter Egger pullets for cockerels because of the feather pattern in their hackles. It’s often the red leakage in their wing bows that indicate whether or not the bird is a cockerel. This bird is mixed. It is not pure. Black Australorp hens usually have a decent sized comb. Not huge, but not tiny. Poor quality, hatchery Faverolles often have a larger comb than a a well-bred specimen. I’d have to check, but I’m sure Australorps are extended black. And I’m sure @Amer or @The Moonshiner can confirm that. Extended black shows leakage pretty well. Which is why the bird has off colored feathers and doesn’t appear uniformly black.

Because the pictures look like they were taken with a potato, it’s almost impossible to see the hackles in any clear manner so I can’t see the true color that’s showing there. Salmon Faverolle males have straw-colored hackles, unless they are clear and then they are a brighter silvery-white, but that’s really rare here in the states. Male Salmon Faverolles do have a very obvious wing bow/patch. In normal males this is a reddish-brown that shows up at a very early age. In a clear male it would match the hackle. As already mentioned, extended black shows leakage. I can’t fathom why a bird who would have naturally shown the red-brown in the shoulders wouldn’t be showing them in a bird with a color known for showing leakage. I’d expect in a male Faverolle cross for that to be quite obvious, especially if the bird is as old as the Osays it is.

I do think a sick/injured hen is capable of laying twice in one day due to a hiccup in her reproductive system; however, the color of that egg shell looks pretty spot on for what I’d think a cream and a brown egg layer cross would produce.

So there are several options.

1. The bird is not as old as the OP thinks and could possibly be a cockerel.

2. The bird is a pullet and people are incorrectly sexing it based on assumptions of what they expect to see.

3. The bird has some sort of genetic anomaly or other issue causing inconstant growth patterns which explains the off presentation and is a cockerel.

4. I am wrong (which does happen once every 13 years when the planets are aligned…I’m a Leo after all).

5. The OP is intentionally being vague, supplying poor-quality photos, and misrepresenting the bird because they are trolling the forum. Which I do not see anything definitive for this assumption either.

 

[sybonbon]

And that's ok if you don't I'm here to have a nice time and show off my birds the pretty ones the ugly ones the odd ones and those ones that make everyone go hmmm to get questions answered maybe answer a few and to learn ..you seem to be upset by the fact it may be a hen for that I'm sorry but thank you for your comments and I'll be sure to update everyone in a couple weeks either way have a good night
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[sybonbon]

I have had a similar situation where my lady was identified as a male. I, like you, did not agree but appreciated the input. There are always differences of opinions. Rudeness is wrong in any post by any member. We can agree to disagree and have fun guessing. In the end there will be a definitive answer. BTW in my incident I got the results I was hoping for. She is my photo icon and beautiful.

 

[whitewolf1871341]

I have had a similar situation where my lady was identified as a male. I, like you, did not agree but appreciated the input. There are always differences of opinions. Rudeness is wrong in any post by any member. We can agree to disagree and have fun guessing. In the end there will be a definitive answer. BTW in my incident I got the results I was hoping for. She is my photo icon and beautiful.

Thank you very much I appreciate it not here to upset anyone just have fun learn a few things thank you for your comments

 

[whitewolf1871341]

Thank you very much I appreciate it not here to upset anyone just have fun learn a few things thank you for your comments

Oh yeah and by the way your baby is very pretty and I'm glad you got what you were looking for