What kind of preventative meds do you give your peas?

Discussion in 'Peafowl' started by Chicken Keith, Nov 9, 2014.

  1. Chicken Keith

    Chicken Keith Chillin' With My Peeps

    I've been keeping peas for a little over year now. I have been worming my peas with Fenbendazole, (3cc per gallon of water) about every 4-6 months or so. This is all I have been doing. I keep my peas with chickens and turkeys, but have never experienced disease problems a lot of folks experience when chickens are also around.

    What else should I be doing, if anything, regarding PREVENTATIVE measures? All peas are healthy (2 hens, 1 cock, all three are IB)
     
  2. KsKingBee

    KsKingBee Overrun With Chickens

    You have been very lucky considering that you are using an ineffective dosage of Safeguard. Other than that I would be vigilant of the other birds in your flock. Keep an eye out for things like this;

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    So be sure to medicate your chickens for Coccidiosis and watch out for bright yellow poo from the turkeys, that would be a sign of blackhead.
     
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  3. zazouse

    zazouse Overrun With Chickens

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    KSkingsbee has given great advice, i also have chickens that free range with my pea, no turkeys DH does not like them but i have never had problems either.
    Be very careful when bringing new birds in to your place, one bird with something can spread to your entire flock and you may find that you will aways be plagued with a problem/ problems
     
  4. Trefoil

    Trefoil Chillin' With My Peeps

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    You must be doing something right. Its a good idea to rotate your wormers, using at least 2 different ones, making sure they have different base. This helps prevent parasites from becoming resistant to individual wormers which is a big problem.
     
  5. casportpony

    casportpony Team Tube Feeding Captain & Poop Inspector General Premium Member

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    I mean this in a nice way... 3 cc/gallon of Safeguard in the water isn't gonna do Jack! I wish that this misinformation would disappear. [​IMG]
    Remember that just because someone says that they have been doing it that way for 40 years doesn't mean it works. Do the research and the math, and you'll see that 3cc/gallon is not enough to treat any worms.

    When I say do the math, I mean figure out *exactly* how many mg of fenbendaloze each pea is getting from drinking that water, I think you'll find it's not very much. Then look up studies and see how much it takes to kill roundworms, cecal worms, gapeworms, tapeworms and capillary worms. It takes much more to kill worms in poultry, dogs and cats than it does in goats, sheep, cows and horses.

    Everyone that hasn't should read this thread: https://www.backyardchickens.com/t/...feather-damage-while-molting/50#post_14133795 - In it is this picture, to me it's proof that 3cc Safeguard/gallon DOES_NOT_WORK!
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    -Kathy
     
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  6. casportpony

    casportpony Team Tube Feeding Captain & Poop Inspector General Premium Member

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    Peas with blackhead will sometimes produce yellow poop. These are all from a young pea that belonged to Kuntrygirl.

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    Her story here:
    https://www.backyardchickens.com/t/...-to-vet-school-for-necropsy-will-post-results

    Even if it didn't have the blood I would say it's coccidiosis. Great picture!

    -Kathy
     
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  7. casportpony

    casportpony Team Tube Feeding Captain & Poop Inspector General Premium Member

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    I think they're probably just lucky as far as worms go, but having less disease in general means they're probably doing something right. [​IMG] You're right, wormer rotation is a good idea, as are routine fecals. Routine fecals will allow one to to treat with the best possible wormer for the worms present.

    -Kathy
     
  8. Chicken Keith

    Chicken Keith Chillin' With My Peeps

    Thanks for that info. But what dosage IS effective, per gallon of water? I was feeding 3ccs so is 4 ccs better? 5? 6?


    Would you medicate for Cocidiosis even if the chickens didn't have it? What preventative med do you use? What dosage? Thanks in advance.
     
  9. Chicken Keith

    Chicken Keith Chillin' With My Peeps


    Hi Kathy [​IMG]

    I mean this in the nicest possible way, but what WILL do it, Jack. [​IMG][​IMG]

    I don't have worms now that I'm tying to get rid of. I'm just using preventative med. Or are you saying all peas have worms, some worse than others. Just tryin'ta understand. [​IMG]

    Thanks for the advice. I mean it.
     
  10. KsKingBee

    KsKingBee Overrun With Chickens

    Ok, Keith, first go read that thread that Kathy recommended about Safeguard. There you will find a chart that is very easy to read and will tell you exactly how much is needed per bird per day. In simple terms a fully grown peacock needs 3ml/cc per day for five days to get rid of four different kinds of worms. If you put 3ml/cc in a gallon of water the peacock would have to drink ALL of it to get enough of the med to work, my peas only drink four to six ounces per day, no where close enough water to get all the medication needed to be effective. The only sure way to administer Safeguard is to either drizzle it down the throat or mix it into their food, and then they still have to eat all that food.

    I rely on fecal exams to tell me what I am treating for and what I need to treat with. I had five fecal exams done today and now I know that I don't have to treat three pens at all. One pen needs a different med because the Corid is not working, and the chickens need worming. I suspected the chickens had Cocci and thought I would have to give them Corid but as it turns out they have worms so now I can give the right med for the right reason.
     
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