What Makes a Sex Link Chick?

[spish]

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Assuming these are all purebreds, your Partridge Brahma roo and your Australorp roo are the only roos that would reliably produce sex-link chicks. Your RIR x EE roos possibly could make sex-links, but since EEs are mutts there's no way to know for sure other than just trying it and seeing what you get. You can cross your Aussie or Brahma roo with your Barred Rock and Cuckoo Maran hens and make black sex-links.

super! thank you for letting me know...i shall give it a try

 

[RAREROO]

Yep What Cowgirl said is right, The Australorp and Partridge Brahmas roos with the Barred Rock and Cuckoo Marans hens would be about the only thing you have that would work. Are your RIR X EE roos showing any white ? If now then they shouldnt carry Dom White and they would work as well.


Do you happen to have any pics of your Partridge and/or Black Brahmas ? There are VERY few here in the US that have them .

 

[deerman]

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i most certainly did

early mornings are not the best time to try and type
i am by all means no expert in sex link making, i simple said as is my understanding....from what i had read online, thus the info i had read must be also wrong?

OK That makes more sence and if my earlier responces to this sounded rude, I'm sorry, that was not my intention to be rude but when I see where it may have sounded that way.

But yeah here is a lot of wrong info online espcially about the certain brand names. There is no way to track down the exact cross for those because the companies making them are not going to tell you the truth about how to make them becuase they dont want you to breed their own, they want you to buy from them, make sense. Did you notice how Cowgirl just simple said Red Sexlinks or Black Sexlinks when she was listing off all those she listed ? Thats how it should be too keep from all kinds of confusion that is associated with all those brand names, becuase they all amount to about the same thing.

The ones you said were
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OK with the first ones, thats not your fault either, thats the incorrect or overgeneralizing info online becuase those that tell you that the sexlinks are made with White Rock hens dont tell you that there are only certain strains of white rock hens that have the right genes that work ( Some White Rocks may be masking Barring, Black, Partridge, ect and they wouldnt work.) So that info online leaves people thinking that any white rock hen with a red roo will work. So in general its best to stay away from Recessive white breeds for making sexlinks becuase you never know what they are masking.

The second one with the SLW hens is also false online info and I've seen it in a book too, but by Cinnamon Queens we think of the single combed red and white birds that Cackle sales and the white in them comes from Dominant white and SLWs have Sexlinked Silver, not dom white so as shown in my sexlinks and the ones that Cowgirl posted in the link, the offspring from the SLW hens will have Black tails and the Rose combs and so are not the Cinnamon Queens like the ones pictured on Cackles site even though I belive their Cinnamon Queens, Golden Commets and Red Stars are the same birds with just different names.

The third one, If you meant RIW instead of RIR, then you are right there. You can see what that cross would look like from mine on the Sexlink thread.

And in the fourth one, the Delaware hens are right but the production Red hens wont make sexlinks.

So Sorry again if I sounded rude but it looks like you did, like many others, pick up some wrong info online. Hopefully those explainations helped.

Disagree the Redstar, golden comet, and cinnamon are not the same, yes they are all redsex. Grow out the rooster from golden comets and Redstar. redstar are lighter weight than golden comets. The hatchery I deal with the golden comets are from white rock hens.

 

[Cowgirl71]

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Contrary to popular belief, Golden Comets are not a Rhode Island Red/White Rock cross. Typical Golden Comet hens are orange/white colored. A RIR/WR cross would make RIR colored hens (red/black). Ideal says so here: http://secuservices.com/ideal/newideal/selectproduct.aspx?qty=1&ID=BRSLP&Product=381 , and I've seen it in other places as well.

I'm convinced that the hatcheries and the big commercial industries are trying their hardest to keep the small farmer in the dark. If and when the small farmers learn how to make sex-link chicks for their own replacement layer pullets, then POOF! The hatcheries lose those customers! Then these farmers start incubating, hatching, and selling sexed pullet chicks to people in the area, cheaper than the hatcheries can because there's no shipping involved, and the hatcheries lose some more customers. Why do you think it is that the average chicken Joe will tell you that to make a red sex-link you cross a RIR roo with White Rock hens? Because that's what the hatcheries want folks to think. Why? Because most White Rock hens won't make sex-link chicks. So a farmer tries to make his own sex-links and fails, and most will give up at that point. And why do you think it is that RIWs are so hard to find? Because this is the other well known sex-link producing breed. They seem so rare and hard to find, but you know they're not. Most of the commercial brown egg laying hens call this breed momma! Plus, hatcheries have worked hard to make their "best" brown egg layers to be sex-links. Why? Because you can't breed these and make more of the same thing like you can with Rhode Island Reds, Australorps, etc. To get more sex-links, you have to buy them from a hatchery.

Just my two cents worth!

 

[deerman]

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Contrary to popular belief, Golden Comets are not a Rhode Island Red/White Rock cross. Typical Golden Comet hens are orange/white colored. A RIR/WR cross would make RIR colored hens (red/black). Ideal says so here: http://secuservices.com/ideal/newideal/selectproduct.aspx?qty=1&ID=BRSLP&Product=381 , and I've seen it in other places as well.

I'm convinced that the hatcheries and the big commercial industries are trying their hardest to keep the small farmer in the dark. If and when the small farmers learn how to make sex-link chicks for their own replacement layer pullets, then POOF! The hatcheries lose those customers! Then these farmers start incubating, hatching, and selling sexed pullet chicks to people in the area, cheaper than the hatcheries can because there's no shipping involved, and the hatcheries lose some more customers. Why do you think it is that the average chicken Joe will tell you that to make a red sex-link you cross a RIR roo with White Rock hens? Because that's what the hatcheries want folks to think. Why? Because most White Rock hens won't make sex-link chicks. So a farmer tries to make his own sex-links and fails, and most will give up at that point. And why do you think it is that RIWs are so hard to find? Because this is the other well known sex-link producing breed. They seem so rare and hard to find, but you know they're not. Most of the commercial brown egg laying hens call this breed momma! Plus, hatcheries have worked hard to make their "best" brown egg layers to be sex-links. Why? Because you can't breed these and make more of the same thing like you can with Rhode Island Reds, Australorps, etc. To get more sex-links, you have to buy them from a hatchery.

Just my two cents worth!

Know for a fact they use NH rooster on white rock hens.....yes they are red with light color feather in neck area, called golden comets.

True not all white rock are the same. Well know fact hybrids are better layers , meat birds too, even with other animals like pigs...

just because alot of sexlink are red doesn't mean they are the same, like redstar are the smaller hens are used, not the bigger hens like white rock

not all sexlink are the same size , just like not all white chicken are the same size. Yes i know not all white chicken carry the silver gene.

 

[Cowgirl71]

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Mind me asking how you know for a fact that they're a NH x WR? Did you breed them yourself? Or did you get the same incorrect information from this website like I did? http://www.feathersite.com/Poultry/CGP/Sex-links/BRKSexLink.html

According to Clint, RIWs are the only birds that possess the unique color genes to make the orange/white colored hens. At first I didn't believe him, because I read the incorrect feathersite link, and because Cackle carries three different flavors of orange/white Red Sex-Links.

I still don't know why Cackle has three different flavors (NH, RIR, and PR sired maybe?), but I have seen pics of a farmer-done cross of Rhode Island Red x White Rock sex-links. The females were colored just like a Rhode Island Red, red with black tails.

Could be that your Golden Comets were a NH x RIW cross and so grew out heavier than your RIR x RIW Red Stars.

 

[deerman]

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Contrary to popular belief, Golden Comets are not a Rhode Island Red/White Rock cross. Typical Golden Comet hens are orange/white colored. A RIR/WR cross would make RIR colored hens (red/black). Ideal says so here: http://secuservices.com/ideal/newideal/selectproduct.aspx?qty=1&ID=BRSLP&Product=381 , and I've seen it in other places as well.

I'm convinced that the hatcheries and the big commercial industries are trying their hardest to keep the small farmer in the dark. If and when the small farmers learn how to make sex-link chicks for their own replacement layer pullets, then POOF! The hatcheries lose those customers! Plus, hatcheries have worked hard to make their "best" brown egg layers to be sex-links. Why? Because you can't breed these and make more of the same thing like you can with Rhode Island Reds, Australorps, etc. To get more sex-links, you have to buy them from a hatchery.

Just my two cents worth!

They breed sexlink hybrids , same reason better layer ,plus easier for them to SEX. Think about it they don't have to pay someone to vent sex them............Most hatcheries will tell you what they cross to get the sexlink. Don't think they are worry about people raising their own, because those are the people they sell to.

 

[Cowgirl71]

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True, hybrid vigour and ease of sexing are two other main reasons hatcheries like sex-links. But I DO think that they don't want you making your own sex-links. If they don't mind, then why is it next to impossible to find any good reliable info about making sex-link chicks? Tadkerson's sex-link sticky is the best thing on the web by far! Plus everything Clint has said about sex-links I've so far found to be true. I haven't found anything else on the web that was accurate and/or helpful. "Storey's Guide to Raising Chickens" says to make red sex-links by crossing a RIR roo with White Leghorn hens. Luckily Clint set me straight on that before I bought any White Leghorns.

 

[deerman]

I get most of my info from raising birds for many many years, been breeding sexlink colors in bird for many years also cockatiels, parakeets, peafowl, and etc. Really not that hard, just need to know what is carried on the sex chromosome.



Lot of wrong info on the net........just look at all the ways you can sex dayold chicks......

 

[deerman]

if you can find white leghorns that carry the silver factor yes you can, be more like redstar goodlayer , but males not much to eat.