What type are these pheasants

[snowshoe]

I bought chicks last year that were suppose to be red golden and I had three hen chicks that I kept and I bought an unrelated red golden male to breed with them but some of the chicks hatched out a lot lighter in color and these pictures are of some of them at 8 weeks old can anyone tell me what they are.
I can not see any difference in the color of the hens they all look the same but figure one must be crossed with something to get these lighter color chicks.

 

[destinduck]

Yellow goldens maybe.

 

[Narragansett]

No maybe about it, they are Yellow Goldens. It is a simple recessive, so both parents are carrying it.

 

[mustangkid]

They are not Yellow Golden but Cinnamon Goldens.

 

[De Wet]

is the cinnamon mutant form or is there a way to breed them

 

[destinduck]

This is why I said maybe. Way too much mixing that goes on now for me. And oviously from this post that the seller either A) Flat lied to snowshoe or B.) Dont know what he has or C) the yellows somehow got mixed with his red goldens. Either way he sucks! Hopefully its C and he just got em mixed up and they turn out nice pure looking yellows for you snowshoe and then you should at least try to find a good qualityyellow golden male to go with them.(from someone else of course)and like wise for your red goldens. Or you too can mix them and have cinnamon peach black-throated polka- dotted some kind of golden pheasant! My own personal opinion is mixing all of them sucks and that is why people hafta ask "whats this". But to each his own.

 

[snowshoe]

Thanks for the information, I sold some chicks and eggs from these birds but the first eggs I sold I knew eggs were fertile but it was before I knew about hatching lighter colored chicks when I hatched lighter colored chick I did contact the buyer of the eggs and offer his money back as I sold them as red goldens, any after that I always had in add about hatching lighter colored chicks from eggs, and any buyer of chicks from me were shown and told about the lighter chicks.
How is a person suppose to know if they look right until you breed them if there is hidden genes in the birds? I have different red goldens that I hatched from eggs from two different breeders this year but not sure as to do with the adults I have now. The three hens and unrelated male and male relate to hens that I was going to use in breeding to some of the unrelated hen chicks from this years hatch.
The breeder I bought the chicks from last year had two different breeding pens of red goldens and they were beautiful birds and the person I bought male from is a friend and he thought the male was pure how would they know they had hidden genes until I came along and breed the two birds with the hidden gene to get the type of chicks I got.

 

[De Wet]

This is why I said maybe. Way too much mixing that goes on now for me. And oviously from this post that the seller either A) Flat lied to snowshoe or B.) Dont know what he has or C) the yellows somehow got mixed with his red goldens. Either way he sucks! Hopefully its C and he just got em mixed up and they turn out nice pure looking yellows for you snowshoe and then you should at least try to find a good qualityyellow golden male to go with them.(from someone else of course)and like wise for your red goldens. Or you too can mix them and have cinnamon peach black-throated polka- dotted some kind of golden pheasant! My own personal opinion is mixing all of them sucks and that is why people hafta ask "whats this". But to each his own.

agree i m also not a forrunner to mix birds... but i must say mixed peas are beautiful birds

 

[destinduck]

Dont use that pair for breeding any more red goldens Snowshoe. Its that darn simple. But by reading your last post that aint happening. To your credit you do give warnings. . In reality though nothing changes much here. So the cycle continues. . Narragansett could probably go more into the genetic details of all of it for you if you want a better understanding of what occurs. I agree De Wet. Lots of beautiful colorations out there,peafowl included. Recessive genes are one thing. But the main thing I hate more than all is when the rare species are compromised to create something "new". Weve seen it time and time again with the ruffed pheasant crossings and hybrids and you also see it now with peafowl. The pure greens being lost by crossing the IB peafowl resulting in so called "Spauldings."

 

[De Wet]

Dont use that pair for breeding any more red goldens Snowshoe. Its that darn simple. But by reading your last post that aint happening. To your credit you do give warnings. . In reality though nothing changes much here. So the cycle continues. . Narragansett could probably go more into the genetic details of all of it for you if you want a better understanding of what occurs. I agree De Wet. Lots of beautiful colorations out there,peafowl included. Recessive genes are one thing. But the main thing I hate more than all is when the rare species are compromised to create something "new". Weve seen it time and time again with the ruffed pheasant crossings and hybrids and you also see it now with peafowl. The pure greens being lost by crossing the IB peafowl resulting in so called "Spauldings."

i agree that s so true breeders thinks they do good but rather the oposite they main example is the lady amherst pheasant, pure breed form is very rare and breeders still marketing the non pure breeds