When to consider euthanasia

SarahLadd

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If you are a long time member of this forum you might know me and my flock and the struggles I've faced for a while. A bit of my post history would reveal the whole story, but TL;DR, I spent *thousands* to determine what was causing strange symptoms for specific birds in my flock and learned *nothing*. Learning nothing, having no treatment, no medicine to try, nothing to give. Just throwing everything I have at it has done nothing for me.

I have one bird left that is symptomatic. The rest of them have succumbed to their symptoms over the hard winters we have here.

Her primary symptom is disorientation. It is very difficult to describe, but, essentially while the bird can "see" and will avoid you and objects, she seems to be in a state of delirium. She will spin in place, spin in wide circles, run in circles, scream and kick and attack the air in the instances where it is severe. When it is mild, she will lazily pace in circles, seemingly unobservant of the flock entirely, able to acknowledge stairs and rocks but unable to acknowledge the flock. They see her as an intruder. Her strange behavior means she doesn't obey flock rules like putting your head down in deference to those at the top of the pecking order. So they attack her. They attack her over and over, kicking her face, grabbing her eyelids and ripping them, shredding at her comb like a terrier with a rat, pull feathers off her face, head and back. When I am home, I can separate her into a little pen and let her come to her senses before anything terrible happens to her. She screams so loud I know when something is wrong and can catch it before it becomes terrible for everyone. However if I am not there to catch it... they will ruin her very quickly and then I am doing wound care and damage control.

Episodes last anywhere from a few hours to a few days. Her periods of lucidity last anywhere from a few days to months. I never know when she gets "over an episode" if she's going to have another tomorrow or if it's going to be a while. I dose her liquid vitamins every day until she starts to come around and then I re-integrate her. Integration is never terrible, the flock seems to accept her every time she reappears with them over night.

I am having a hard time watching this. She will be four in July and has been symptomatic now for almost three years. The flock clearly doesn't accept her, she keeps a very wide berth from them all when she is cognizant, but desperately craves their companionship. When she strays too close, a top pecking order bird will attack her, chase her down, ensure she stays ostracised.

When it comes to a bird that is clearly suffering from pain and misery, the choice is clear and simple. When the misery is weird social problems and disorientation, what is the answer?
 
I euthanized a bird last year for a similar reason. She had an incurable neurological disorder, and the flock rejected her. My reasoning was this: she couldn’t enjoy being a chicken. Of course I could have kept her alive with medical support. But what chicken wants to live alone, struggling to eat and drink? The whole ordeal haunts me… I still stand by my decision, though.

I’m sorry you’ve been going through such a challenge with this. And no answers? That’s so demoralizing. :hugs
 
When a flock member is attacked by their flock for whatever reason, I will always separate them in a wire dog crate or pen with food and water for their own protection. She has some neurological issue, possibly wry neck or Mareks, and when is is attacked that may cause more damage from the attacks. Have you tried treating with vitamin E, vitamin B complex, and a little egg for a small amount of selenium? Have you sent any chicken for a necropsy after losing them to see what was wrong? Here is a list of state vets:
https://www.metzerfarms.com/poultry-labs.html
 
I euthanized a bird last year for a similar reason. She had an incurable neurological disorder, and the flock rejected her. My reasoning was this: she couldn’t enjoy being a chicken. Of course I could have kept her alive with medical support. But what chicken wants to live alone, struggling to eat and drink? The whole ordeal haunts me… I still stand by my decision, though.

I’m sorry you’ve been going through such a challenge with this. And no answers? That’s so demoralizing. :hugs
Thank you for the perspective. Every time I'm here in this place, where she's had/having an episode and it looks awful on the surface, I have these thoughts. Is this the right thing? Is rehabilitating every time and re-integrating the right thing to do for her? When she is lucid, she acts mostly normal. She knows she's not accepted by anyone, and since her twin sister died, she is by herself 100% of the time. Her twin was her soulmate, who had the same exact condition, they were safe with one another and I could pair them up so one had company while they were "going through it". Her sister died last winter on the coldest day of the year. She spun around in circles out in the run while I was out working, never got herself out of the elements after the sun went down and the coop closed, and succumbed. This is the other thing that concerns me. She shouldn't have died that way, but it's a very real possibility that Fortune will die this way, too. I don't have any fail safes to prevent this.

Yes, no answers has been devastating. This disease/issue has killed a bunch of dreams and plans. I dragged every poultry professional into this as I could, including the top poultry pathologist for the state of Minnesota. I sacrificed adult birds and chicks to be picked apart and put under every slide possible to determine the cause. Nada. The last email I have from Dr Porter is "this case continues to be the most perplexing I have ever dealt with". Just... love that for me
 
When a flock member is attacked by their flock for whatever reason, I will always separate them in a wire dog crate or pen with food and water for their own protection. She has some neurological issue, possibly wry neck or Mareks, and when is is attacked that may cause more damage from the attacks. Have you tried treating with vitamin E, vitamin B complex, and a little egg for a small amount of selenium? Have you sent any chicken for a necropsy after losing them to see what was wrong? Here is a list of state vets:
https://www.metzerfarms.com/poultry-labs.html
I posted a little more info in my last message to thecatumbrella. I have done everything. When I say everything, I really do mean it. I used every resource possible. I don't mean to appear as though I wish to throw any advice that seems helpful for treatment away... All I can say is, you gotta believe me that if somebody thought it, I tried it.

I'm out of trying. There is nothing left to try. There is only management.
 

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