Which breeds do best with double mating systems?

Discussion in 'General breed discussions & FAQ' started by HaikuHeritageFarm, Aug 15, 2010.

  1. HaikuHeritageFarm

    HaikuHeritageFarm Songster

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    I'm confounded by breeds that really seem to require two separate lines to get show quality birds of both sexes. Especially in heritage breeds like the Delaware! I was just reading that there are also a couple of varieties of Leghorn like this.

    I want to avoid getting into anymore breeds like this at all cost, so which other breeds and varieties should be used in double mating systems for best results?
     
  2. Wolfwoman

    Wolfwoman Songster

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    What does double mating mean?
     
  3. TK Poultry

    TK Poultry Songster

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    if its what I think it is. Its when you have two pens per breed one to make pullets and one to make cockerels. I'm pretty sure no matter what you have that you dont need to double mate. I don't I just keep only the best, to make SQ birds
     
  4. hcammack

    hcammack Crowing

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    The salmon variety of Faverolles requires double mating to produce truly outstanding birds.
     
  5. Chris09

    Chris09 Circle (M) Ranch

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    WHAT IS DOUBLE MATING

    From the book The A.B.C. of Breeding Poultry for Exhibition, Egg-Production and Table Purposes [​IMG] 1919

    Double-mating means the mating of two pens, one to produce
    exhibition cockerels and the other exhibition pullets. This process
    of breeding has done much to spoil many good old breeds, for
    few little men have accommodation sufficient to keep two pens.
    Many poultry fanciers give this double-mating question some
    hard knocks, but we have only the Club Standards to blame. When
    a new breed comes into being, the first desire of the faddists is to
    draw up a standard that is hard to breed to. They contend that
    it is better to have a breed that is difficult to obtain high-class
    specimens of, than where we can easily breed winners. As things
    are at present, double-mating is necessary in many breeds, and
    I leave it at that.
    In the case of laced varieties, such as the beautiful Gold and
    Silver Laced Wyandottes, we have perforce to adopt the double mating
    principles. If we mated the Palace winning Cock to the
    Palace winning Pullet we should breed birds that were of very
    inferior quality. By fitting up a cockerel-breeding pen and a pullet breeding
    pen our chances are excellent. In the cockerel-breeding
    pen of any variety the male will be a tip-top show specimen and
    his mates females that are not show birds, but merely breeders
    likely to throw high-class cockerels when mated to the exhibition
    male. The pullets from this mating will, of course, be " duds”
    and not fit for show purposes. The females in the pullet-breeding
    pen will all be first-class exhibition birds and the male not a show
    bird, but a breeder most likely to breed tip-top exhibition pullets.
    The cockerels from this mating will be " duds " and unfit for the
    show bench. The whole modus operandi can be thinned down to
    this :—The cockerel-breeding male must possess all the necessary
    characteristics to breed exhibition cockerels, whilst the pullet breeding
    male must boast of those characteristics that will go to
    breed exhibition pullets. The system is not so complicated as it
    would appear at first sight and is interesting to follow out, but there
    must, of course, be many " wasters " in the progeny—whether
    male or female respectively. In many cases fanciers are satisfied
    with breeding one sex only and winning honors with same. They
    specialize in pullets or cockerels, keeping the pullet-breeders or
    cockerel-breeders only as the case may be. This naturally does
    not entail so much work as would be necessary if the two sorts
    were bred.

    The above can be found Here on BYC under Diagrams,poultry parts,charts Etc.

    Chris
     
    Last edited: Aug 15, 2010
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  6. joe17

    joe17 Songster

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    Ohh this has confused me too! I have read many books and stuff about this but I am just going to breed SQ birds to SQ birds to see what I get instead of breeding for a certain sex. When I first heard of this, I thought you could breed for the gender that will hatch. I sure wish they would all hatch out hens [​IMG]
     
  7. snowbird

    snowbird Crowing

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    Quote:If you are breeding sq to sq and are thinking you will get show sq. it does not always happen that way. I n most parti colored fowl if you don't double mate you will not get as many good birds.
     
  8. justbugged

    justbugged Head of the Night Crew for WA State

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    I am confused too. How do you breed a pen full of cockerels and a pen full on pullets? I thought that you need to put the boys and girls together to get chicks. That seemed like the breeder is kepping the boys and girls separate. Why would that somehow make better chicks? I would think that you wouldn't get anything.
     
  9. call ducks

    call ducks silver appleyard addict

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    Quote:one pen produces show cockerels, and the other pen produces show pullets
     
  10. Chris09

    Chris09 Circle (M) Ranch

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    Quote:You would be breeding for type.

    One to produce exhibition cockerels. (Meaning all cockerels that are hatched from this breeding pen should be exhibition quality and pullets would be culls).
    The other exhibition pullets. (Meaning all pullets that are hatched from this breeding pen should be exhibition quality and cockerels would be culls).

    Chris
     

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