Whole Flock — Dead! No Blood, Some Still Suffering; Could It Be Poison

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I have lost my whole flock of pet chicks and I don't know why. They were living in a shed with access to a fenced yard. Behind is a mountain, so yes, lots of predators around. But I am not sure it's predators and here is why. Sorry if I am a bit disjointed because I'm crying as I write this.

The two big hens, Lincoln and Copper Penny, were wandering around yesterday in the rain. I looked over and saw them, thought they looked funny, and went back to work. A few hours later, I went to pick up my daughter at day camp and when we got back, we saw Copper Penny dead in the yard. It was about 3 PM. There were feathers everywhere in the local area, but no blood or evidence of wounds. I didn't check her carefully because, at the time, I didn't think to do it.

I looked for Lincoln, her always partner everywhere, and I found her in the weeds, in a sitting position, breathing heavily. She didn't move when I tried to pick her up, and when I saw flies, I killed her.

I thought the dog got them, but today, I went into the chick house to change the water and it was eerily empty. And there was Snowball, lying flat out like a rubber chicken, dead. Again, no blood or evidence of anything. No feathers around. Then I looked around the fence, and there was Mop-Top, same position, covered with flies. Just laid out, like she fell over. I couldn't find the others at first, but then I found Pepper, in the weeds, doing the same thing as Lincoln. Just in a sitting position, like sitting on eggs, not moving, breathing heavily. So I killed her, too.

The rest are missing, but they could be in the high weeds where I can't find them. I looked, but I couldn't find them.

The heads are tucked in, as if the head fell over first.

Actually, as I type, I remember other chicks I thought Eddie (the dog) got. It was the same scenario — the chick was sitting in the weeds, not moving, covered with flies. One I tried to save, but her head kept flopping and flopping, and it was as if she had nerve damage on one side because she'd got in a spiral (the mop-tops, don't remember the breed, are more skittish than the others and don't like to be held). But the head would flop over. I tried to feed her and give her water, thinking the dog got her and she was internally hurt, but she died overnight. That's why I killed the others. I didn't want them to suffer, too, just to die overnight.

What would cause chicks to die, en masse, in such a short period of time?

I will be honest about the water. The chick house is away a bit, and I don't change the water as often as I should, and sometimes it does smell bad. It's a self-waterer from the farm store, so even though the water is yucky, it's always feeding fresh.

Could the water gotten bacteria that killed the chickens all in the same day? Why would Cooper Penny and Lincoln appear to be fine in the morning, then suddenly be dead or suffering within a matter of hours if it's the water? Wouldn't it take time for them to sicken?

The whole thing is so upsetting, and I don't know whether it's my fault or not. It just doesn't seem like predators if there is no evidence of bites or anything. And with the two just falling over, stretched out, in rubber chicken position, it just seems like they ate or drank something that poisoned them.

Any ideas? Thank you.
 
I am SO sorry.

My guess is dog. I have a dog that kills strange cats. I have watched her do it more than once, unfortunately. She picks them up and shakes them. Explains the broken necks and the signs of internal injury. The feathers scattered indicates one got away for a while. And dogs do not generally eat the chicken after the kill.

I doubt very much it is the water. There was a thread here recently about how chickens walk past fresh water to drink from mud puddles or worse, which mine do, too.
 
I'm with ddawn here. Dog sounds likely. My hints are the scattered feathers and the flies on the sick chickens. Flies are attracted to wounds, however small. And there would be no panicked moment where feathers scattered if it was just a quiet poisoning death.
I hope you can identify the animal that's getting into your yard.
I'm really, really sorry for your loss.
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Sounds like a dog. The sure sign for chicks is if they're wet looking, not fluffy. Dog slobber will dry stiffer, too, so even if it's hours afterward, they might still look wet.

I'm so sorry this happened to you.
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I've had many dogs who were very friendly and 'played' with chickens till they died.
 
I am so sorry for your loss.
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But yea maybe dogs. I had a dog that would play with baby kittens. Not maliciously. But would throw them up in the air and play until they were 'broken' and then go find another one. Hope you can figure it out.
 
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The flies is the clue that there were wounds.

I had some chickens die from heat stroke, but they were directly in the sun and out of water and it was VERY hot where they were. Flies didn't show up for many hours.
 
How long was the water empty for?

I'm guessing it was perhaps a coincidence that they all died at the same time, especially because they had different symptoms.
 
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We just had two chickens die from extreme heat... but it was 105 or higher for a prolonged period of time and the two that died were not in perfect health to begin with, I don't think. However, they did look like the "rubber chicken" position you mentioned... like they just flopped right over.

However.... other than that, it does sound like shaking death from a dog. My dogs shake the rodents they catch... violent shaking and sometimes beating them on the ground at the same time. I would think that would cause a floppy head and loose feathers.... I am just guessing.

I am SOOO sorry to hear about your terrible losses! The two we lost two days ago were our first losses and we feel terribly... but to have lost all at the same time! I am so sad for you!

The only good news is that if it is your own dog... perhaps you'll be able to keep him away now that you know there is a problem. I keep my dogs completely separate from my chickens for fear of the same thing.

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