Why doesn't my guinea girl make eggs?

[PeepsCA]

Actually, now that I've said that...
Usually I am able to able to see changes in the coloring of most of my Guinea eggs (if they are fertile) as early as 4 days into the incubation, but I've looked at a LOT of eggs so the slight change is fairly easy for me to see. Some eggs are too dark shelled or even just super thick shelled to see thru well enough and I wait til the 7 day mark on those. Anywhere from 7-10 days is usually when development or no development, and even blood rings are all pretty obvious tho.

 

[Guinea and Chicken raiser]

thank you, deb, for clearfying that for me. i never heard of it or used it though, sorry.. just like online there said you can put ATM for at the moment, but no one got it, so i stopped saying that. now-a-days though, that can mean more than one thing, last time I was on here I believe I looked that up even and many things came up but I did not see that one...

WRT = With Regard To

Its a very old acronym.

deb

 

[Guinea and Chicken raiser]

In the story, I did crack the first 2-3 eggs I got from my guinea. Then I just started incubating her eggs... then the incubator failed like 4-5 days later, got too hot. I opened the eggs and they looked fertile like a chicken's egg gets. I know, you probably can't tell right away.. and I tried to examine the guinea egg with a flashlight which works for most chicken eggs, but it didn't look it. And I wanted to eat it anyways so I ate the eggs.. I cracked them, examined them first before cooking, before eating... when examining them after cracked, they did not look fertile. you should be able to tell just like a chicken egg, if you crack any chicken egg and there been a rooster, you'd see some blood. there'd be a difference in shape. if we were to take a robin's egg from a nest and crack it, don't you think there would be blood in that too?

Just curious.... how do you tell an egg is fertile without cracking the egg and looking for the bullseye.

deb

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Originally Posted by Guinea and Chicken raiser

So I put the guinea amongst chickens in a 100 foot square pen and she made a new nest that very same day. Since it's Spring time now. I wanted to see if they were fertile... I put a flashlight I think but I couldn't tell... maybe I didn't use that, it was daytime and I was hungry for eggs and I seen the egg in the daytime. I wasn't that hungry, I noticed it was small. I didn't take any other egg at that time. I made a two-chicken egg omlette after that, with a slice of cheese.
Anyways, the first two didn't have signs of fertility like some chicken eggs do. The guinea hen is around a chicken rooster. We are going to get 4 more guinea keets, we don't know if we'd get more male or female. I feel worried that if just one is a male, he'd not like any chicken rooster. The adult rooster has a son rooster that just started to crow even, and we def. want to keep the son, the dad does not like us to go near him and the adult daddy rooster tries to hurt us, so we wouldn't care if the guinea male bothered him. Last year we had a guinea male that kept the two rooster males we used to have away from food.

 

[Guinea and Chicken raiser]

huh.. so they take seven days? so you are saying all guinea eggs are fertile? what if I found a new egg that looked fertile? then what? if it had blood veins, and the guinea does not sit on her nest...

You don't, lol. Not until they've been incubated or sat on by a broody for at least 7 days.

 

[Guinea and Chicken raiser]

exactly. there were some changes in color inside the egg.. shade... in some eggs that were guinea.. after incubating it for 3 days, maybe 4, there are differences when examining it like a chicken egg. I apprechiate you two bashing your heads with me.. it's a good mental challange.. a good word game to play for all of us.

True, deb, life is all about learning... But deb, if we were to make sure we are not to kill any fertile guinea egg, we just incubate them all and never eat any of them? what if i cracked open a guinea egg and it was fresh and there was blood in it? you crack open a chicken egg and it happens. it wouldn't happen if you cracked open a bantam chicken egg? or a quail egg? just like that robin egg, if we were to find one? of course, robins lay on them, but if the robin egg was 2 days old or younger...

I do understand that guinea eggs take 28 days to hatch and chickens only take 21. ducks take about the same too(as guinea).. and duck eggs are big.

blood rings means the baby died, didn't it? if you see blood lines, it's alive.. if it's a blood-circle, it's dead. right?

Actually, now that I've said that...
Usually I am able to able to see changes in the coloring of most of my Guinea eggs (if they are fertile) as early as 4 days into the incubation, but I've looked at a LOT of eggs so the slight change is fairly easy for me to see. Some eggs are too dark shelled or even just super thick shelled to see thru well enough and I wait til the 7 day mark on those. Anywhere from 7-10 days is usually when development or no development, and even blood rings are all pretty obvious tho.

 

[PeepsCA]

huh.. so they take seven days? so you are saying all guinea eggs are fertile? what if I found a new egg that looked fertile? then what? if it had blood veins, and the guinea does not sit on her nest...


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No lol, I'm not saying all Guinea eggs are fertile, I'm saying there's absolutely NO way to tell if any fresh egg is fertile unless you crack it open and look at the blastoderm/blastodisc (then of course you cannot incubate it), or you pop it in the incubator and check for development at around 7 days.

If you found a "new egg" that looked fertile, then it's not a fresh egg, it's fertile and already growing an embryo... and I wouldn't eat it, gross!

 

[PeepsCA]

blood rings means the baby died, didn't it? if you see blood lines, it's alive.. if it's a blood-circle, it's dead. right?

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A visible blood ring means the egg was probably infected by bacteria, and yes, the newly developing embryo is dead at that point. I would not eat those either, lol. Blood veins means it's growing/developing.

 

[Guinea and Chicken raiser]

totally okay.

No lol, I'm not saying all Guinea eggs are fertile, I'm saying there's absolutely NO way to tell if any fresh egg is fertile unless you crack it open and look at the blastoderm/blastodisc (then of course you cannot incubate it), or you pop it in the incubator and check for development at around 7 days.

If you found a "new egg" that looked fertile, then it's not a fresh egg, it's fertile and already growing an embryo... and I wouldn't eat it, gross!

 

[Guinea and Chicken raiser]

A visible blood ring means the egg was probably infected by bacteria, and yes, the newly developing embryo is dead at that point. I would not eat those either, lol. Blood veins means it's growing/developing.

I had an egg that had a ring and just a little bit of blood veins.. i carefully opened the tip of that egg and seen a tiny beating thing, a thing like a heart. it made me sad. so it can't be just any blood ring.. it maybe has to be super solid, not thin. mine was thin, but a ring... of blood. i thought it was dead... it wasn't. I will never do that again... I rather wait. I have two chicken eggs that have babies in them it looks like... one looks stuck, it moves slow only maybe.. i'll have to see if they hatch.

 

[PeepsCA]

Quote: All blood rings are wider and lighter than veins, and to me they are very easy to tell apart, but I've candled thousands of eggs, so it's a little easier for me to tell the difference I guess. If you google blood ring images it will pull up lots of examples of how they look (usually in chicken eggs tho), maybe that will help you out the next time you are candling eggs and find one you suspect might be a blood ring.

Usually when I am candling eggs I have a batch of eggs waiting to go into the incubator, so I don't always have the choice to wait, and any questionable eggs get looked at real good then removed if I'm convinced I see a blood ring. If there are visible blood veins, the whole egg typically has a redder hue to the entire inside, except the air cell.

How far along is the egg that you think the chick is stuck in?