Yellow Belly - Indian Runner ducks

[Papaye]

Hello.

On OCTOBER 14th, I have received two Yellow Belly Indian Runner ducks home : I had, in fact, asked for Apricot Trout (Saxony) coloured Indian Runners, but the seller did not have them anymore... and so, she has sent Yellow Belly ducks instead.

Specifically, she told me they were "à Ventre Jaune Bleu".
"Bleu" clearly meaning "Bleu Sauvage" here - and so : a colour I would call "Blue Mallard", but YOU actually call "Blue Fawn".

Thus : I now own 2 Yellow Belly Blue Fawn Indian Runners.
(Do I have to call them that...?)

And since pictures of Yellow Belly Indian Runner ducks are frustratingly hard to find... here I am, sharing some of mines!

And so, I present to you my Yellow Belly Indian Runner drake :

I don't know if his nuptial plumage has entirely emerged : the seller told me the ducks she sent to me are 6-months-old, but one of the girl I bought is actually a juvenile boy... (and so, clearly not 6-months-old!)

Thus, even though he wears his adult colours AND already has curls on his tails, I can't promise this drake's molt has ended!
(Given I can't even compare his appearance with other Yellow Belly drakes if I don't have/find any more picture!!)

...Comparing his colours with a Trout Indian Runner drake (the one on our left) :

(Yellow Belly drake at the center of the picture...!!)

As we can see, the Yellow Belly gene does not only affect the belly area : indeed, a Yellow Belly drake's chest also is lightened compared to an ordinary Mallard coloured drake...

We can also see my Yellow Belly Runner's neck collar is somewhat faint, but I have NO idea if it is due to the Yellow Belly gene (or not)...?

Here, we can see my Yellow Belly boy' back.

It looks like the Yellow Belly gene also affects the back of the duck : there, we can see the same creamish/yellowish coloured feathers than on the front...

And there also are light blue/silver/gray - call them what you want - coloured feathers on his back; but again : I don't know it it is due to the Yellow Belly gene...(?)

...Boy has some light traces of strips on the face...
I am waiting to see if they will disappear, but I actually don't think so...?
Because from what I have deduced from looking at some pictures of Yellow Belly Call ducks, it would seem the Yellow Belly gene also shows on the face...?

(If somebody does know something on the Yellow Belly gene : do share what you know, please!
Thank you!!)

...Now, for the Yellow Belly Indian Runner hen... :

(Yellow Belly girl is at the center of the picture, next to my Brown/Chocolate Indian Runner!!)

I actually first didn't know which duck the Yellow Belly girl was : I have received too many duck in a pretty similar colour, so I had to look at them one by one, very carefully... and it is not easy with a lot of new, kind of scared Runner ducks, and NO information about Yellow Belly BLUE FAWN coloured ducks...!!

But I could eventually find my Yellow Belly Runner girl, and she is so beautiful I don't know how this colour can be so rare...?!!

Being a Blue Fawn coloured hen, besides a Yellow Belly duck, she has eyestrips... very faint eyestrips, that are a brown so light they are not very noticeable because of the creamish/yellowish colour on most of the face (which is due to the Yellow Belly gene - yet again)...

In fact, to be precise : the eyestrips that would be white without the Yellow Belly gene are yellow(ish) coloured on this girl's face; and the eyestrips we actually CAN see here are the typical marks of the Mallard pattern that usually are around the white, technically actual eyestrips.

Her back is a similar colour to the Yellow Belly (Blue Fawn) Indian Runner drake : there are mostly muted blue/silver/gray AND yellowish feathers... that actually seem to be lighter coloured than the drake.

She also has some dark(er) coloured feathers on her wings... that constrast really beautifully with the rest of her plumage!

Overall, the Yellow Belly gene is amazing when associated to the Blue Fawn colour : the drake is not the most colorful, but he is still pretty; and the hen is just so cute... oh my God...!!

I insist I don't know very much about the Yellow Belly gene, and so : any shared information would be appreciated.

...According to the seller, if I breed my Yellow Belly (Blue Fawn) drake with a Mallard/Gray hen, I will get :
• 50% of the ducklings that will carry the Yellow Belly gene,
• 25% of the ducklings that will be Mallard/Gray coloured,
• 25% of the ducklings that will be Blue Fawn coloured.

Thus, I plan to eventually breed my drake to my Mallard coloured Runner hen...
...but I also would like to try with a Trout hen, or even why not an Appleyard coloured Indian Runner hen...?

(What would happen if I ALSO bred a Yellow Belly duck with a Solid colour, or a Fawn and White colour...?!)

The Yellow Belly colour is rare, so I would like to help make it known.

In France, the colour is not yet approved on Indian Runner ducks...
...nevertheless : the one who sold these ducks to me told me she was going to make it approved starting next year!

So, I am kind of waiting for a standard to be established in order to understand better the Yellow Belly gene.
(But I am not waiting the standard to make Yellow Belly ducklings...!!)

...Voilà!

I hope there are people happy with these pictures AND details!

 

[cheezenkwackers]

Hello.

On OCTOBER 14th, I have received two Yellow Belly Indian Runner ducks home : I had, in fact, asked for Apricot Trout (Saxony) coloured Indian Runners, but the seller did not have them anymore... and so, she has sent Yellow Belly ducks instead.

Specifically, she told me they were "à Ventre Jaune Bleu".
"Bleu" clearly meaning "Bleu Sauvage" here - and so : a colour I would call "Blue Mallard", but YOU actually call "Blue Fawn".

Thus : I now own 2 Yellow Belly Blue Fawn Indian Runners.
(Do I have to call them that...?)

And since pictures of Yellow Belly Indian Runner ducks are frustratingly hard to find... here I am, sharing some of mines!

And so, I present to you my Yellow Belly Indian Runner drake :

View attachment 3974299

I don't know if his nuptial plumage has entirely emerged : the seller told me the ducks she sent to me are 6-months-old, but one of the girl I bought is actually a juvenile boy... (and so, clearly not 6-months-old!)

Thus, even though he wears his adult colours AND already has curls on his tails, I can't promise this drake's molt has ended!
(Given I can't even compare his appearance with other Yellow Belly drakes if I don't have/find any more picture!!)

...Comparing his colours with a Trout Indian Runner drake (the one on our left) :

View attachment 3974306

(Yellow Belly drake at the center of the picture...!!)

As we can see, the Yellow Belly gene does not only affect the belly area : indeed, a Yellow Belly drake's chest also is lightened compared to an ordinary Mallard coloured drake...

We can also see my Yellow Belly Runner's neck collar is somewhat faint, but I have NO idea if it is due to the Yellow Belly gene (or not)...?

View attachment 3974313

Here, we can see my Yellow Belly boy' back.

It looks like the Yellow Belly gene also affects the back of the duck : there, we can see the same creamish/yellowish coloured feathers than on the front...

And there also are light blue/silver/gray - call them what you want - coloured feathers on his back; but again : I don't know it it is due to the Yellow Belly gene...(?)

View attachment 3974318

...Boy has some light traces of strips on the face...
I am waiting to see if they will disappear, but I actually don't think so...?
Because from what I have deduced from looking at some pictures of Yellow Belly Call ducks, it would seem the Yellow Belly gene also shows on the face...?

View attachment 3974322

(If somebody does know something on the Yellow Belly gene : do share what you know, please!
Thank you!!)

...Now, for the Yellow Belly Indian Runner hen... :

View attachment 3974338

(Yellow Belly girl is at the center of the picture, next to my Brown/Chocolate Indian Runner!!)

I actually first didn't know which duck the Yellow Belly girl was : I have received too many duck in a pretty similar colour, so I had to look at them one by one, very carefully... and it is not easy with a lot of new, kind of scared Runner ducks, and NO information about Yellow Belly BLUE FAWN coloured ducks...!!

But I could eventually find my Yellow Belly Runner girl, and she is so beautiful I don't know how this colour can be so rare...?!!

View attachment 3974346

Being a Blue Fawn coloured hen, besides a Yellow Belly duck, she has eyestrips... very faint eyestrips, that are a brown so light they are not very noticeable because of the creamish/yellowish colour on most of the face (which is due to the Yellow Belly gene - yet again)...

In fact, to be precise : the eyestrips that would be white without the Yellow Belly gene are yellow(ish) coloured on this girl's face; and the eyestrips we actually CAN see here are the typical marks of the Mallard pattern that usually are around the white, technically actual eyestrips.

View attachment 3974356

Her back is a similar colour to the Yellow Belly (Blue Fawn) Indian Runner drake : there are mostly muted blue/silver/gray AND yellowish feathers... that actually seem to be lighter coloured than the drake.

View attachment 3974379

She also has some dark(er) coloured feathers on her wings... that constrast really beautifully with the rest of her plumage!

View attachment 3974381

Overall, the Yellow Belly gene is amazing when associated to the Blue Fawn colour : the drake is not the most colorful, but he is still pretty; and the hen is just so cute... oh my God...!!

I insist I don't know very much about the Yellow Belly gene, and so : any shared information would be appreciated.

...According to the seller, if I breed my Yellow Belly (Blue Fawn) drake with a Mallard/Gray hen, I will get :
• 50% of the ducklings that will carry the Yellow Belly gene,
• 25% of the ducklings that will be Mallard/Gray coloured,
• 25% of the ducklings that will be Blue Fawn coloured.

Thus, I plan to eventually breed my drake to my Mallard coloured Runner hen...
...but I also would like to try with a Trout hen, or even why not an Appleyard coloured Indian Runner hen...?

(What would happen if I ALSO bred a Yellow Belly duck with a Solid colour, or a Fawn and White colour...?!)

The Yellow Belly colour is rare, so I would like to help make it known.

In France, the colour is not yet approved on Indian Runner ducks...
...nevertheless : the one who sold these ducks to me told me she was going to make it approved starting next year!

So, I am kind of waiting for a standard to be established in order to understand better the Yellow Belly gene.
(But I am not waiting the standard to make Yellow Belly ducklings...!!)

...Voilà!

I hope there are people happy with these pictures AND details!

If you will get 50% carrying the yellow belly with the cross you described, it sounds like a recessive trait. So, a duck would need to get it from both parents to have it. It is beautiful, I look forward to seeing what you get after a couple of crosses.

 

[Papaye]

Hi.

If you will get 50% carrying the yellow belly with the cross you described, it sounds like a recessive trait. So, a duck would need to get it from both parents to have it.

Ok... so : I would have to think about keeping my Yellow Belly drake and my Yellow Belly hen apart in different pens, and then, keep some of their ducklings that carry the Yellow Belly gene...

(I suppose I won't be able to see which ducklings carry the gene...?)

But actually : I don't know if by "50% of the ducklings will carry the Yellow Belly gene", the seller means they will show it or not?
(It looks to me what she knows about the Yellow Belly gene is limited to the exact same informations I could find on the Internet...?)

It is beautiful, I look forward to seeing what you get after a couple of crosses.

Yes : Yellow Belly is an amazing gene.
I don't know why there are not more Yellow Belly ducks?

...I plan to first make Yellow Belly MALLARD/GRAY Indian Runner ducklings : I have seen pictures of them, and the colour is just so beautiful...
(The Mallard/Gray Indian Runner hens that show the Yellow Belly gene are just splendid...!!)

I would also like to see if the Yellow Belly gene can be shown on a Solid colour?
It would be amazing if it was the case, right?!

 

[notallducksinmypond]

another nice color , again from france @Papaye , you went about as deep genetic diving as i am

just to be clear (germany here) I thought the "fawn" color is light dusky + brown (mdmd,lili,d(d) )

Ashtonwaterfowl
"The ducks described in 1835 at the Zoological gardens UK fit the Fawn.
The genotype from the Far East is light phase dusky with the brown gene. Light phase results in a ragged bib in the male; dusky removes the eye stripes and pigments the under wing."

so if you call her blue fawn.... does she carry blue and brown and dusky and then on top: yellow belly?

 

[HollowOfWisps]

They are gorgeous! I wish I lived in France right now because I would definitely buy some future ducklings from you. I love runners, but in the US all I have seen are the more clunky broader ones compared to yours. I had some for a bit and while they looked like runners they just were not as refined and dainty.

 

[Papaye]

another nice color , again from france @Papaye , you went about as deep genetic diving as i am

Ah, ah!

Have you seen YOUR Indian Runners?
(I would so adopt them...!!)

just to be clear (germany here) I thought the "fawn" color is light dusky + brown (mdmd,lili,d(d) )

According to Dusky Feathers Waterfowl : yes, "Fawn" is "Brown Light Dusky".

But you know we call a plumage colour differently according to the country/language, so "Fawn" could be Caramel or some other colour...?

so if you call her blue fawn.... does she carry blue and brown and dusky and then on top: yellow belly?

Blue Fawn is not Dusky, but Mallard...
(Yeah : I don't know why we call this colour "Fawn" if the Fawn colour is of Dusky pattern...?)

Could you post a picture of your boy Salix?
...He should have his nuptial feathers now, right?

Blue Fawn is a darker version of the Apricot Trout (Saxony) colour...
But not Pastel, nor Butterscotch...

They are gorgeous! I wish I lived in France right now because I would definitely buy some future ducklings from you.

Well... if ever you come in France in the future, do tell me!
We never know what Life has in store for us.

I love runners, but in the US all I have seen are the more clunky broader ones compared to yours.

And what do you know? Ah, ah, ah!
I am so envious of Americans for having the American version of Fawn and White Indian Runners...!!

(I am planning to eventually make it myself, and I really hope I will succeed.)

 

[cheezenkwackers]

I did some research. It seems your yellow belly gene is most likely incomplete dominance with variable expression. So, if a duck gets one allele from one parent, they can have it. But, how much it will show will vary from individual to individual. If they get it from both parents, it seems to show even more.
I look forward to seeing your beautiful ducks in the future!

 

[Papaye]

Hi.

I did some research.

Ooooooh... thank you so much...!!!

It seems your yellow belly gene is most likely incomplete dominance with variable expression. So, if a duck gets one allele from one parent, they can have it. But, how much it will show will vary from individual to individual. If they get it from both parents, it seems to show even more.

THAT explains why Yellow Belly ducks I have seen all look so different from each other, even though they are technically the same colour...!
(In fact, I thought it was because of their molt.)

That's really interesting : not only I only need one Yellow Belly parent to have Yellow Belly ducklings, but each one these ducklings will also actually looks unique...!!

I look forward to seeing your beautiful ducks in the future!

Me too!!

 

[notallducksinmypond]

@Papaye

Ah, ah!

Have you seen YOUR Indian Runners?
(I would so adopt them...!!)

if i ever plan to rehome them i will think of you, germany isn´t that far away from france!

According to Dusky Feathers Waterfowl : yes, "Fawn" is "Brown Light Dusky".

But you know we call a plumage colour differently according to the country/language, so "Fawn" could be Caramel or some other colour...?

ohhh my...
lets just start to mark the genes in conversations, maybe something in brackets like (MM, Blbl,...) just to get it clear

fawn in germany is also used in a runnerduck color, "rehbraun-weißgescheckt" , pied/runner pattern chocolate mallards,
so about as far away from blue or dusky as possible but still "fawn"

Blue Fawn is not Dusky, but Mallard...
(Yeah : I don't know why we call this colour "Fawn" if the Fawn colour is of Dusky pattern...?)

as i said..

Could you post a picture of your boy Salix?
...He should have his nuptial feathers now, right?

already did... in your show me your ducks thread

Blue Fawn is a darker version of the Apricot Trout (Saxony) colour...
But not Pastel, nor Butterscotch...

wich genes are involved?
if you call it a darker version of apricot trout/saxony/blau-gelb (M+/M+, li/li, Bl/Bl)
than is it mallard with double blue? (M+/M+, Li/Li, Bl/Bl)

on another note... wich genes produce "pastel" and "butterscotch"?

Well... if ever you come in France in the future, do tell me!
We never know what Life has in store for us.

I maybe visit france next summer, maybe there are some lavender eggs from Tilia in my suitcase if you like? ( i think i got a brown boy for her, he´s just a little tiny as of now to get settled on the final color)

And what do you know? Ah, ah, ah!
I am so envious of Americans for having the American version of Fawn and White Indian Runners...!!

(I am planning to eventually make it myself, and I really hope I will succeed.)

maybe you try and get your hands on german "rehbraun-weißgescheckt" they already have the white markings and the brown so you just need to add the blue

 

[Papaye]

Hi.

(I wanted to reply to you earlier, @notallducksinmypond, but I have not been able to connect with my account for these last days...!!!)

if i ever plan to rehome them i will think of you, germany isn´t that far away from france!

...They would be happy in my yard, especially given I plan to make, dig a (real) pond for them...!!

lets just start to mark the genes in conversations, maybe something in brackets like (MM, Blbl,...) just to get it clear

I don't think I know enough about the genes (yet at least) to make use of them in conversation...?

fawn in germany is also used in a runnerduck color, "rehbraun-weißgescheckt" , pied/runner pattern chocolate mallards,
so about as far away from blue or dusky as possible but still "fawn"

Yes.
And in Europe, we still call this phase "Fawn and White".
Even though some non-European people disagree with the fact OUR Brown Pied Indian Runners ARE really (a phase of) Fawn and White...

already did... in your show me your ducks thread

...I had seen you had written a post there when I replied to you here, but : I live in the countryside, and because the access to the Internet is bad here, I sometimes can not see pictures (among other things)... so, I did not notice you had actually posted pictures of him!!

wich genes are involved?
if you call it a darker version of apricot trout/saxony/blau-gelb (M+/M+, li/li, Bl/Bl)
than is it mallard with double blue? (M+/M+, Li/Li, Bl/Bl)

A darker version of Apricot Trout, but in the drake's appearance only.

"Blue Fawn" is actually Blue (Bl, bl+) diluted Mallard (M+).
Not "li/li"...!

on another note... wich genes produce "pastel" and "butterscotch"?

"Pastel" is also called "Apricot Mallard".

So, I don't think I need to tell you you would just need to replace "li/li" from "Apricot Trout" by "Li+/Li+" to get "Pastel"... right?

(You do know more than me about genes!)

But regarding the Butterscoth colour... I have NO idea what genes would be different from the Apricot Trout colour!
(I need to learn MORE!!)

I maybe visit france next summer, maybe there are some lavender eggs from Tilia in my suitcase if you like? ( i think i got a brown boy for her, he´s just a little tiny as of now to get settled on the final color)

That is great!
And that would be wonderful for me, but you would have to go in Auvergne then... and where I live, there is nothing; so you would mostly visit cows...!
Ah, ah, ah!

(For the record : the cows in my area ARE amazing.)

Do you like the countryside?
...The cold and the rain...?

My departement is actually beautiful, and I am happy to live here. But there are people (including tourists) complaining about the humid climate, and the fact "there is nothing but cows"...

Still, if you come here : the landscape are magnificent, and people are generally kind (even though they can act kind of cold with people they don't know).

(And my dad is German, so language won't be an issue in case our accent is difficult to understand.)

maybe you try and get your hands on german "rehbraun-weißgescheckt" they already have the white markings and the brown so you just need to add the blue

I have them!!

But : I really would need to open a thread to ask some advices, because apparently, I can NOT make a lighter phase of Fawn and White "just" by adding Blue...?

(I don't know...!!! People are saying so different things!!)

(Here is my beautiful Patch!!)