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  1. faykokoWV

    CSU - Chicken State University- Large Fowl SOP

    Quote: EEK! that statement is like nails on a chalk board to me. You have to preserve egg color! I think one of the reasons the egg color is so much lighter than it should be is this exact issue. If you have several birds with good lacing and one with fair lacing but a dark egg - I would...
  2. faykokoWV

    CSU - Chicken State University- Large Fowl SOP

    thanks for clearing that up on the cornish shape- I do agree - one picture does not really show what a bird looks like!
  3. faykokoWV

    CSU - Chicken State University- Large Fowl SOP

    the first hen almost looks like a cornish cross? A little meatier, and stocky. I personally like the high tail carriage, and was surprised when I read the SOP and saw it was lower than I thought it should be. Most examples I see have a tail angle much higher than 50 degrees. Is this a...
  4. faykokoWV

    CSU - Chicken State University- Large Fowl SOP

    I think the hen in the second picture looks better than the one in the first picture as far as the American SOP. The "best hen's" neck is shorter and stockier than the image in the SOP. The first hen is also carrying her tail higher than the 50 Degrees stated in the SOP. the lacing is beautiful!
  5. faykokoWV

    CSU - Chicken State University- Large Fowl SOP

    when measuring the pelvic bone spread - can you give me some land marks as to where you are measuring? I agree with you about the sweep of the hens' back - its hard to assess sometimes, because the are always moving and the tail moves based on their activity - I like to think they are shaped a...
  6. faykokoWV

    CSU - Chicken State University- Large Fowl SOP

    as this session draws to a close, I want to thank everyone that participated for providing so much great information!!!
  7. faykokoWV

    CSU - Chicken State University- Large Fowl SOP

    I have the online color chart - the nice thing is I can say - one of my hens lays an egg that's between OAC698 and OAC699, I can even take a picture with the chart if needed. But either way, the person on the other end will have an image of exactly what that color is.
  8. faykokoWV

    CSU - Chicken State University- Large Fowl SOP

    just to clarify, I don't think the welsummer is supposed to have a salmon colored breast - it should be darker than what is typically referred to as salmon
  9. faykokoWV

    CSU - Chicken State University- Large Fowl SOP

    before this session ends, I would like to ask - other than selective breeding - what is the best way to eliminate the white fluff at the base of the tail?
  10. faykokoWV

    CSU - Chicken State University- Large Fowl SOP

    I reposted, and apparently mislabeled them.. so I'm guilty too - so sorry!!
  11. faykokoWV

    CSU - Chicken State University- Large Fowl SOP

    from the first time I saw them, I've always said he has the best I have ever seen - beautiful birds aren't they. you can really see the long back and the tail angles on both his hens and roos - I love everything I see on these birds!!
  12. faykokoWV

    CSU - Chicken State University- Large Fowl SOP

    Man I hope you're right. It does look like there is a little beige line down the center of each feather on the chest - I might have to go pluck one out of a hen and see it up close!
  13. faykokoWV

    CSU - Chicken State University- Large Fowl SOP

    I thought Ewesheep was going to comment on these, these birds are actually from a Dutch breeder Harrie Pelgrim. He's been breeding Welsummers for 40 years here is a picture of a Dutch Exhibition Cockerel shared by the NL Welsummer club, the back line, chest and wing carriage is good, but I...
  14. faykokoWV

    CSU - Chicken State University- Large Fowl SOP

    Speaking of eggs, I think it would be a disservice to discuss this breed without mentioning the egg color. While the eggs aren't judge like Maran eggs or Ameraucana eggs, they are an important factor with this breed. Above are pictures taken for the purpose of creating an egg color chart...
  15. faykokoWV

    CSU - Chicken State University- Large Fowl SOP

    troublesome birds!!! Weren't a lot of the original breeders that got them admitted to the SOP/APA breeders of both breeds? I believe we are going to take up the topic in the WCNA facebook group and see if we can get a consensus. Ewesheep, do we need to have a club meeting to officially...
  16. faykokoWV

    CSU - Chicken State University- Large Fowl SOP

    I have to chuckle having watched the Barnevelder debate that recently took place, hope this situation is a little different! I hope the CLB standard committee takes a look at this as well. I know my CLB hens also have some shafting in the chest - since they are writing their standards, I hope...
  17. faykokoWV

    CSU - Chicken State University- Large Fowl SOP

    I do not think they should be easy to change!! If they were too easy to change, breeders would change the standard to fit their birds, not the other way around. I am trying to wrap my brain around this shafting on the breast though. Sometimes I wish it were easier to see the pictures and...
  18. faykokoWV

    CSU - Chicken State University- Large Fowl SOP

    Walt, I think all of us are ok with critique of our birds... we actually welcome it. I have to say, the Welsummer group has been one of the best that I participate in (nothing against the others) when it comes to open straight forward feedback both positive and negative.
  19. faykokoWV

    CSU - Chicken State University- Large Fowl SOP

    Legally, we aren't allowed to have poultry shows in WV - don't even get me started on the stupidity of that! but I am going to try and get to the show in Lucasville, Oh this fall, its not too far from me
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