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9 Rhode Island Red, 6 White Leghorns,4 Midget Whites Turkeys
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post #72 of 3869

Here is a old tonic I thought I would put in here just for fun.

CHARLES HENRY HUBBARD, ©1915

I will now give you one of the best secrets I have. You will find this one of the best tonics and feather growers known. It is made in the following manner: Take five pounds of French Poultry Mustard and three pounds of sulfur. Mix thoroughly together by hand. Now take one tablespoonful of sulfate of iron, and dissolve it in a little water. When dissolved add it to one gallon of molasses and mix well together. Then pour the gallon of molasses over the sulfur and mustard, and mix all thoroughly with your hands to a thick paste. When this is done put into an earthen jar that has a cover. Keep the cover on at all times to keep the dust out. The above amount will last a breeder a long time as it will not spoil. The tonic should be fed in a mash to growing chickens after they are three months old. It does not make any difference what you use to wet your mash, whether it is water and liver, or clear water or milk. Dissolve one tablespoonful of the tonic in three quarts of the liquid you use to wet your mash. This should be fed in their mash for three days and then skip three days, until you have fed it nine days in each month. Start to feed it the first of each month, and after you have fed it in their mash nine days, as described above, for the rest of each month use in their wet mash one heaping tablespoonful of flax seed (not the meal), to every twelve growing chickens. There is nothing known that will beat this secret for growing length of feather, and putting on the high sheen which is wanted so much in the show room. Use the same method for molting out your old stock. They will put on their new feathers in a much shorter time and their plumage will be in the best possible condition. I have never seen anything to equal it for keeping young and old stock in prime condition.

Chris

 

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Society for the Preservation of Poultry Antiquities http://sppa.webs.com/

Breeding Large Fowl Single and Rose Comb Rhode Island Reds to APA Standard


"I know of no pursuit in which more real and important services can be rendered to any country than by improving its agriculture, its breed of useful animals, and other branches of a husbandman's cares." – 

George Washington

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NPIP # 31-516
Society for the Preservation of Poultry Antiquities http://sppa.webs.com/

Breeding Large Fowl Single and Rose Comb Rhode Island Reds to APA Standard


"I know of no pursuit in which more real and important services can be rendered to any country than by improving its agriculture, its breed of useful animals, and other branches of a husbandman's cares." – 

George Washington

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post #73 of 3869

Chris,  I have never heard of those ingredients before. I wouldn't have a clue as to what it is, and where to get the stuff.

 

 

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I'm a bit confused with the brick body shape.  I can see it at times, just trying to get some clarity.  I need a ratio or a proportion......lets say the length is a 10, then is the height an 8?  Or a 9?  And then how wide across the breast should a good heritage RIR be?  Now that I've seen some really good birds I totally see the attraction.

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Originally Posted by Jared77 

I'm a bit confused with the brick body shape.  I can see it at times, just trying to get some clarity.  I need a ratio or a proportion......lets say the length is a 10, then is the height an 8?  Or a 9?  And then how wide across the breast should a good heritage RIR be?  Now that I've seen some really good birds I totally see the attraction.


I posted this some pages back but here you go..
http://www.backyardchickens.com/forum/uploads/33115_picture00123_003.jpg

http://www.backyardchickens.com/forum/uploads/33115_picture_237.jpg

http://www.backyardchickens.com/forum/uploads/33115_picture_236.jpg

Chris

 

NPIP # 31-516
Society for the Preservation of Poultry Antiquities http://sppa.webs.com/

Breeding Large Fowl Single and Rose Comb Rhode Island Reds to APA Standard


"I know of no pursuit in which more real and important services can be rendered to any country than by improving its agriculture, its breed of useful animals, and other branches of a husbandman's cares." – 

George Washington

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NPIP # 31-516
Society for the Preservation of Poultry Antiquities http://sppa.webs.com/

Breeding Large Fowl Single and Rose Comb Rhode Island Reds to APA Standard


"I know of no pursuit in which more real and important services can be rendered to any country than by improving its agriculture, its breed of useful animals, and other branches of a husbandman's cares." – 

George Washington

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post #76 of 3869
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Originally Posted by Chris09 
Quote:
Originally Posted by heritagehabitatfarms 

ok ??? 4 u experts... i am on the list to get 5 (2 roo's 3 hens) RC RIR's in about a month or 2 from now...  from a lady hear in AR... she has some birds that to me look as good as the pic's that chris posted of his birds...  now 4 my ???  she has had them for 3 years the first year she got them the rooster was allmost infertille she set about 100 eggs got 3 chicks of witch only one hen lived to be an adult... the second year she ordered a adult rooster from somewhere and got him late in the summer got about 30 chicks from him then all of a suden no more firtile eggs... so she had to wait tell her young ones grew up before she got any more chicks...

in talking to her and a bunch of the more expiranced breeders in our local poulty club they said that the rose comb birds have a problem with firtilety and that she should find a real nice SCRIR  bird to add to her breeding program to help fix this... and that most of the chicks would be rose comb if you do this... 

right now she has about 10 roosters and is having no problems with fertilety...

im wondering if i should try to get a few SC birds from one of the ppl y'all have show on hear to add to my breeding program when i get the RC's from her... i am mostly intrested in the RC not SC

i dont know what bloodline she has will find out before i get them... 

thanks Elias

sry about the bad spelling...


I see if I can help with your questions.
There is some talk about "Rose Combs" breeds having fertility problems I have never seen it in my "Pure" Rose comb stock. My Rose combs have very good fertility in fact in the past 8 years I have been running around a 90% hatch rate and the other RC Red breeders I have talked to also say that the "Rose Combs breeds having fertility problems" is a bunch of hype. I think that most of her (the breeder you are talking about) problems might be do to improper breeding or even just a fluke.

As far as crossing Rose Comb with Single Comb, that is fine if you are not showing them OR you don't mind a long ongoing process when it comes to correcting there comb.
The combs of the offspring out of a Rose Comb/ Single Comb cross will suffer greatly in that they will have "Hollow Centers", Multiple Spikes, to much height of the over all comb, and over all poor combs. Back about 5 years ago I this cross with a  superior Single comb cock bird that was out of pure Denis Myers stock that I had got off Jack Tickle and a excellent Rose comb hen that was pure Dick Horstman stock and to this day I still get bad combs now and then out of the offspring.

Chris


thanks thats what i needed to know... ill just cull hard and hatch bunches and keep alot of roosters just incase...

Elias in Clinton AR.
White Empordanesa. Black French Marans. White Marans. project Lav Marans. an EE project. dun O.E.G.B. project dun crele O.E.G.B.  white bobwhite quail.  cinnamon and red coturnix quail.

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Elias in Clinton AR.
White Empordanesa. Black French Marans. White Marans. project Lav Marans. an EE project. dun O.E.G.B. project dun crele O.E.G.B.  white bobwhite quail.  cinnamon and red coturnix quail.

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post #77 of 3869
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Originally Posted by heritagehabitatfarms 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris09 
Quote:
Originally Posted by heritagehabitatfarms 

ok ??? 4 u experts... i am on the list to get 5 (2 roo's 3 hens) RC RIR's in about a month or 2 from now...  from a lady hear in AR... she has some birds that to me look as good as the pic's that chris posted of his birds...  now 4 my ???  she has had them for 3 years the first year she got them the rooster was allmost infertille she set about 100 eggs got 3 chicks of witch only one hen lived to be an adult... the second year she ordered a adult rooster from somewhere and got him late in the summer got about 30 chicks from him then all of a suden no more firtile eggs... so she had to wait tell her young ones grew up before she got any more chicks...

in talking to her and a bunch of the more expiranced breeders in our local poulty club they said that the rose comb birds have a problem with firtilety and that she should find a real nice SCRIR  bird to add to her breeding program to help fix this... and that most of the chicks would be rose comb if you do this... 

right now she has about 10 roosters and is having no problems with fertilety...

im wondering if i should try to get a few SC birds from one of the ppl y'all have show on hear to add to my breeding program when i get the RC's from her... i am mostly intrested in the RC not SC

i dont know what bloodline she has will find out before i get them... 

thanks Elias

sry about the bad spelling...


I see if I can help with your questions.
There is some talk about "Rose Combs" breeds having fertility problems I have never seen it in my "Pure" Rose comb stock. My Rose combs have very good fertility in fact in the past 8 years I have been running around a 90% hatch rate and the other RC Red breeders I have talked to also say that the "Rose Combs breeds having fertility problems" is a bunch of hype. I think that most of her (the breeder you are talking about) problems might be do to improper breeding or even just a fluke.

As far as crossing Rose Comb with Single Comb, that is fine if you are not showing them OR you don't mind a long ongoing process when it comes to correcting there comb.
The combs of the offspring out of a Rose Comb/ Single Comb cross will suffer greatly in that they will have "Hollow Centers", Multiple Spikes, to much height of the over all comb, and over all poor combs. Back about 5 years ago I this cross with a  superior Single comb cock bird that was out of pure Denis Myers stock that I had got off Jack Tickle and a excellent Rose comb hen that was pure Dick Horstman stock and to this day I still get bad combs now and then out of the offspring.

Chris


thanks thats what i needed to know... ill just cull hard and hatch bunches and keep alot of roosters just incase...


Just remember that the Rooster is the one that controls how good the offspring's comb is going to be.
Keep only Roosters with good combs..

Chris

 

NPIP # 31-516
Society for the Preservation of Poultry Antiquities http://sppa.webs.com/

Breeding Large Fowl Single and Rose Comb Rhode Island Reds to APA Standard


"I know of no pursuit in which more real and important services can be rendered to any country than by improving its agriculture, its breed of useful animals, and other branches of a husbandman's cares." – 

George Washington

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NPIP # 31-516
Society for the Preservation of Poultry Antiquities http://sppa.webs.com/

Breeding Large Fowl Single and Rose Comb Rhode Island Reds to APA Standard


"I know of no pursuit in which more real and important services can be rendered to any country than by improving its agriculture, its breed of useful animals, and other branches of a husbandman's cares." – 

George Washington

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post #78 of 3869

will do thanks thumbsup

Elias in Clinton AR.
White Empordanesa. Black French Marans. White Marans. project Lav Marans. an EE project. dun O.E.G.B. project dun crele O.E.G.B.  white bobwhite quail.  cinnamon and red coturnix quail.

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Elias in Clinton AR.
White Empordanesa. Black French Marans. White Marans. project Lav Marans. an EE project. dun O.E.G.B. project dun crele O.E.G.B.  white bobwhite quail.  cinnamon and red coturnix quail.

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post #79 of 3869
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris09 
Quote:
Originally Posted by heritagehabitatfarms 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris09 


I see if I can help with your questions.
There is some talk about "Rose Combs" breeds having fertility problems I have never seen it in my "Pure" Rose comb stock. My Rose combs have very good fertility in fact in the past 8 years I have been running around a 90% hatch rate and the other RC Red breeders I have talked to also say that the "Rose Combs breeds having fertility problems" is a bunch of hype. I think that most of her (the breeder you are talking about) problems might be do to improper breeding or even just a fluke.

As far as crossing Rose Comb with Single Comb, that is fine if you are not showing them OR you don't mind a long ongoing process when it comes to correcting there comb.
The combs of the offspring out of a Rose Comb/ Single Comb cross will suffer greatly in that they will have "Hollow Centers", Multiple Spikes, to much height of the over all comb, and over all poor combs. Back about 5 years ago I this cross with a  superior Single comb cock bird that was out of pure Denis Myers stock that I had got off Jack Tickle and a excellent Rose comb hen that was pure Dick Horstman stock and to this day I still get bad combs now and then out of the offspring.

Chris


thanks thats what i needed to know... ill just cull hard and hatch bunches and keep alot of roosters just incase...


Just remember that the Rooster is the one that controls how good the offspring's comb is going to be.
Keep only Roosters with good combs..

Chris


ok another ??? anyone have a good pic of the comb on a RCRIR from the side and from the top???    that would help me chose what roo's to keep... thanks Elias

Elias in Clinton AR.
White Empordanesa. Black French Marans. White Marans. project Lav Marans. an EE project. dun O.E.G.B. project dun crele O.E.G.B.  white bobwhite quail.  cinnamon and red coturnix quail.

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Elias in Clinton AR.
White Empordanesa. Black French Marans. White Marans. project Lav Marans. an EE project. dun O.E.G.B. project dun crele O.E.G.B.  white bobwhite quail.  cinnamon and red coturnix quail.

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post #80 of 3869
Quote:
Originally Posted by heritagehabitatfarms 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris09 
Quote:
Originally Posted by heritagehabitatfarms 

thanks thats what i needed to know... ill just cull hard and hatch bunches and keep alot of roosters just incase...


Just remember that the Rooster is the one that controls how good the offspring's comb is going to be.
Keep only Roosters with good combs..

Chris


ok another ??? anyone have a good pic of the comb on a RCRIR from the side and from the top???    that would help me chose what roo's to keep... thanks Elias


This what you are looking for (but with about 1/2 the spike)-
http://www.backyardchickens.com/forum/uploads/33115_abc123.jpg

Chris

 

NPIP # 31-516
Society for the Preservation of Poultry Antiquities http://sppa.webs.com/

Breeding Large Fowl Single and Rose Comb Rhode Island Reds to APA Standard


"I know of no pursuit in which more real and important services can be rendered to any country than by improving its agriculture, its breed of useful animals, and other branches of a husbandman's cares." – 

George Washington

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NPIP # 31-516
Society for the Preservation of Poultry Antiquities http://sppa.webs.com/

Breeding Large Fowl Single and Rose Comb Rhode Island Reds to APA Standard


"I know of no pursuit in which more real and important services can be rendered to any country than by improving its agriculture, its breed of useful animals, and other branches of a husbandman's cares." – 

George Washington

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