BREEDING FOR PRODUCTION...EGGS AND OR MEAT.

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CanadianBuckeye said:
Yes you can over do the protein. But,  It's protein quality that matters not just quantity. A protein must be complete (supply all the essential amino acids) and most plant proteins are not. Plant proteins tend to be deficient in some of these, for example chicken feeds I have purchased have to be supplemented with lysine.  So there's not much benefit feeding a high protein feed, for example 24% made up from soy, you will have happier healthier birds feeding a lower protein (say 15-18% depending on the stage of growth and sex ) using a meat source. But it seems to be impossible these days to get feed that isn't "vegetable" based (ie corn and soy mostly). I have a very good older book called Practical Poultry Keeping.  In there the protein requirements are stated to be 20 percent for chicks, 15% for growers, and 16-18% for layers or breeders. But the protein in the feed comes not only from wheat, barley and oats, but also  from grass meal, fish meal and dry skim milk- not from soy like today. Today's feed IMO is basically like trying to stay healthy  on  crackers and a vitamin. 
Plant proteins are completely inadequate for cats, who are obligate carnivores.  They cannot live on a completely plant based diet.
This book  said that if the protein quality/quantity is inadequate, chickens will eat too much trying to get enough protein,  eating far too much carbohydrate in the process and becoming overweight-  with the negative consequences of that. Chickens cannot make chicken, feathers, and eggs from carbohydrates- they make it from protein.
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That's excellent to know! Thank you so much! These are the analysis labels from the 2 pkgs I ferment, any feed back?
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Some new pics of my Bucks. I think they look pretty good
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They have their fair share of flaws but who/what doesnt?

Cockerel #1








Cockerel #2. Yikes I only have two pics of him!




I dont have any pics of the pullets cuz they look terrible in the middle of molt but will post pics when their feathers grow in.

I am gonna go weigh these boys and will post their weights.
 
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bramblefir said:
My brother-in-law is a border patrol agent in Montana, but he rides a Harley. We'll have to ask him later if he's had an uptick of traffic heading north. And if he has any chicken-smuggling suggestions.
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Lol! :-D
That pic actually was one DW's cousin posted on facebook. He lives in Montana, near the border if I remember right.
You want to see some real nice hand forged hunting knives with hand tooled leather sheaths he makes some nice one's, check out his website, Kenny Westbrook Knives.
He's got some pretty good YouTube videos of him also if you like kinda John Denver type or folk music. He has one he wrote on that website, 'Long way cross Montana'.

Edit, K.E.Westbrook Blades is the site. Can't see all the knives or the complete site on a phone in mobile, have to use a computer for some reason.
 
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holm25 said:
Some new pics of my Bucks. I think they look pretty good;) They have their fair share of flaws but who/what doesnt? Cockerel #1 Cockerel #2. Yikes I only have two pics of him! I dont have any pics of the pullets cuz they look terrible in the middle of molt but will post pics when their feathers grow in. I am gonna go weigh these boys and will post their weights.
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The more I look at everyone's gorgeous Buckeye's, the more I can start feeling the inevitable chicken math disaster I'm going to cause with an impulse purchase
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GabrielBane said:
I just chuckled at the thought of this discourse at the border.

"Ma'am, you are aware Canadian grocers carry eggs?
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"Yes, officer, but it's getting very cold and dark in Canada this time of year and the chickens simply aren't laying as many eggs. I thought it best to come prepared. You wouldn't want me to starve, would you?"
 
South OH Chicks said:
What rooster and hen would be the best cross to make a high production sex link?
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If you are wanting to breed your own, it is my understanding "sex linked" is a one time shot. The offspring will not produce "sex linked" offspring of their own. If you are wanting a perpetual line of chickens you can continue to breed that produce offspring you can tell the sex by chick color that is called something different that I knew when I started typing this but for the life of me I cannot remember now!!!! lol
 
CanadianBuckeye said:
I know we aren't supposed to talk politics but after yesterday's results.......I guess it would have been the same either way but, well, those of you who want to move North, you are more than welcome here !
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But bring your chickens, some breeds are tough to get this side of the border.
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One of our weathermen this morning on the news was making a "funny" he had mapped out the most expeditious route from Tulsa to Canada. At the end of the news he posted the map and had a little info about the trip!
 

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