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KDOGG331 said:
Exactly! Though to be fair it was more showing his teeth and it was strange for him



He actually is pretty advanced with obedience because I used to work with him a lot when he was younger and he never really does that so it was strange.

Although that said he does get to sleep on the bed and sometimes barka for things, he's spoiled and can be a bit demanding for stuff aha

And I haven't worked with him at all lately so maybe that's part of it.

I'm going to start working with him regularly. Not just for any attitude but also because I think he might be bored.

Speaking of which, while the behavior obviously wasn't acceptable, I think he was also a little bit sleepy and grumpy I was making him get off the bed. But I didn't even do anything when he did it.

And I think maybe sleeping all day makes him depressed/bored and grumpy? And he has sort of bad hips.

BUT.

All I did was move his pillow over. But I think he thought I was gonna do something. But I didn't.
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Some definite warning signs in there. ....and not something to let slide, good on ya for recognizing that. Are you familiar with the NILIF approach (nothing in life is free)....can work with demanding and bored.

Speaking of dogs behaving badly.....today I overheard am exchange that is one of my pet peeves. A coworker stepped out to the lobby to talk to a client and, in the process, stepped in the direction of another person in the waiting room at which point some pretty aggressive barking and snapping came from person b's dog (we have several clients that bring dogs in, mostly or homeless folks but this guy is not homeless). The dog tried to bite her, and only failed because she jumped out of reach. Anyway, here's my issue, dog owner's companion says says, "you got too close....he's a sevice dog...he's just doing his job"......um, no, that is not a "service dog".....you may call him that to justify taking him everywhere, but actual certified service dogs pass testing for behavior and temperament and people with dogs like this one are who stand to ruin it for everyone. *end rant*
 
Soldiers may get issued "service pistols," but they can still get charged with 'going armed to the terror of the public,' which is more or less what that idiot is doing. If that dog had connected, it wouldn't be allowed out without a muzzle in some communities; it might not be allowed out at all in others, no matter what the owner called it.
 
Ol Grey Mare said:
Some definite warning signs in there. ....and not something to let slide, good on ya for recognizing that. Are you familiar with the NILIF approach (nothing in life is free)....can work with demanding and bored.

Speaking of dogs behaving badly.....today I overheard am exchange that is one of my pet peeves. A coworker stepped out to the lobby to talk to a client and, in the process, stepped in the direction of another person in the waiting room at which point some pretty aggressive barking and snapping came from person b's dog (we have several clients that bring dogs in, mostly or homeless folks but this guy is not homeless). The dog tried to bite her, and only failed because she jumped out of reach. Anyway, here's my issue, dog owner's companion says says, "you got too close....he's a sevice dog...he's just doing his job"......um, no, that is not a "service dog".....you may call him that to justify taking him everywhere, but actual certified service dogs pass testing for behavior and temperament and people with dogs like this one are who stand to ruin it for everyone. *end rant*
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I've heard of it but haven't tried it. I might start though.

and tbh I think I now have an idea of why he might have done it and I don't think it was just to be mean but idk

As for the service dog, wow that's ridiculous!!

I didn't think they were required to be certified though? But you're exactly right! Certified or not, true service dogs are trained to ignore everything and definitely NEVER do that. A protective and aggressive dog like that would never be considered an SD candidate.

That guy is exactly why a lot of businesses give true teams a hard time.

And also I have heard horror stories of dogs like that attacking real SD's and then the dog is ruined. They can then either take months or years to rehab and make workable again OR they might be totally ruined and not be able to work again and the owner has to train a new dog. Either way, the owner's quality of life is significantly reduced and they can't go out as much or at all which is not fair. :(

And the sad part is there are soooo many places online that sell service dog vests and ID etc. But you don't HAVE to have a vest or ID. And legally, by the ADA, the only questions they're allowed to ask are if it is a service dog and if so, what tasks they are allowed to perform. Which a lot of businesses don't know or most don't even know they're allowed to ask questions or kick unruly/disruptive dogs out, real or not. But I think that causes problems too cause then every business thinks they have to have the vest and give real teams who don't have one a hard time too.

Fake service dogs are honestly a huge problem. It's a huge mess :(

I would have said to that guy "oh really? So what tasks does he perform?" Lol

Legally they are required to perform 3 tasks to be considered an SD.

And by the way, no, emotional support animal does not count as a task or for public access. Lol ESA can only go in no pet housing or on planes but don't have public access but people seem to think they do and take their pets everywhere by saying that.

There ARE psychiatric service dogs but they're different.

Anyway, shoulda kicked that guy out OR asked what tasks he performs lol

Alaskan said:
Yep. Service dogs are usually well trained in the non-aggressive area.
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Exactly. Most are trained to just sit or lay down wherever they are placed until told otherwise and to be as non disruptive as possible. And definitely not explode into aggression cause someone walked slightly near it. That dog is an accident waiting to happen.

Bunnylady said:
Soldiers may get issued "service pistols," but they can still get charged with 'going armed to the terror of the public,' which is more or less what that idiot is doing. If that dog had connected, it wouldn't be allowed out without a muzzle in some communities; it might not be allowed out at all in others, no matter what the owner called it.
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Exactly! Or maybe put down eventually if he bites enough people :(
 
Sorry, realized i might have come across as rude or a know it all lol didnt mean to. Learned this all from others with lots of research a while ago lol
 
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I've seen alot of service dogs and they are very well behaved. We were in a restaurant when a man came in with a Great Dane service dog. Restaurant was busy and booths and tables close together. The dog just folded his legs up and squeezed under the table. You never would have known he was there.
 
Morning cafe! Thanks for the coffee Scott, much appreciated.

Huge storm at the golf course yesterday so today we're closed while the fallen trees and other debris is cleared up. Thankfully no one was hurt.

Sour, congrats to your g-son's team! Sounds like they've been having a great season :clap
 
drumstick diva said:
I've seen alot of service dogs and they are very well behaved. We were in a restaurant when a man came in with a Great Dane service dog. Restaurant was busy and booths and tables close together. The dog just folded his legs up and squeezed under the table. You never would have known he was there.
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That's exactly how they should be! Very well behaved. Though in this case, I imagine that size dog is hard to fit under a table so it makes it even more impressive that he did. I've never met an actual team but I saw a YouTube video once where they trained their dog to go under stuff. I forget the actual command but basically they said it and it crawled under tables, chairs, etc. And got out of the way. I think they even used it at the doctor's office, dog would just crawl under the chair to get out of the way. And like you said, you would never even know the dog was there
 

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