I'm thinking the problem of it being so quiet on this subject is that so few people have Javas, and even fewer actually try to breed to SOP. Likely there are not many judges who have even seen Javas so perhaps they don't feel they can add anything. Of course at this point, I'd take anything I can get as far as discussion on them, even if the judges haven't seen one in person.Maybe I missed it, but did the judges contribute to this breed? I thought the judges comments were going to be the longed-for goal in this thread?