Electric chicken stunner

[BigTone]

I was thinking of processing my meat birds this year but I'm not sure if I can dispatch with a knife. I was watching a Gordon Ramsey show where his birds were stunned with a electric stunner then dispatched with a knife, I feel like it's more humane for the chicken...and probably a bit easier on me. Does anyone use a stunner, where do you get them, and is it even common practice here in the states? thanks for the info, ~Anthony

 

[chooks4life]

Beware of things that merely look more humane, many of them simply are not. Just because an animal is 'frozen' or stunned does not mean it isn't suffering, it merely means it cannot express its suffering.

For example over here we have a 12-inch stainless steel dildo you insert into a bovine's anus, and it delivers enough voltage to immobilize the animal on the spot; this is advertized as 'humane' and that's just outright poppycock, excuse me. It's NOT humane. Trust me, I've had doses of electricity that immobilized me too, and just because I couldn't express the pain doesn't mean it didn't hurt! You've got to see photos of the cattle having that tool used on them --- they may not be moving but they are certainly suffering.

Cutting the throat or beheading them looks inhumane, but can often be the more humane out of most cull methods. I've read accounts from humans who had their throats cut (and survived, obviously) and they didn't feel it. No pain because the nerves were cut, which prevented them from feeling the pain. Sure, it looks terribly gory, but done right, it's humane. Very unpopular opinion, I know. Still, a guillotine is an ideal tool for making sure they're dead the first time, and cleanly, too.

A stun-gun to the forehead prevents animals expressing their pain which is nice and soothing and tidy for us, but means many of them experience the whole terrible ordeal of being eviscerated, having their guts and skins removed, etc, while looking like they're unconscious even though they're not. They're just stunned. Please, don't confuse what looks nice with what actually is nice. What looks gory is more distressing for most but can be the least distressing for the animal as long as it's done right.

I'd rather know from the animal's reaction whether I've done it wrong or not, than stun them and never be any the wiser as I repeat an inhumane procedure regularly, inflicting untold amounts of torture and agony on victims that cannot express their suffering.

Best wishes.

 

[NEChickenNoob]

As far as humane goes...When slaughter pigs and cattle, we used a .22mag to the skull in-between the eyes. It's almost fool proof as long as you don't look away before you do it. My sister's first go at it was such, missed the brain b/c the animal moved at the last second. Took two hours to get that injured bull out of a thicket and a .30-06 to the side of the head to finally put him down. Point being...to be humane, you must watch and commit to it through and through. Anything else and you're simply causing the animal to suffer because you are not strong enough to make sure what needs to be done is done right. I know this sounds kinda of contrarian but if you don't do it with a diligence, it probably suffered.

 

[chooks4life]

Excellent post and excellent point. I've heard statements from folks who were "tazerded" and the experience was extremely painful. You comment above is why, even if I have help with the butchering/processing, I am always the one to dipatch my own chickens. I hate doing it, but at least I know that it is being done as quickly and with as little stress and trauma as I a capable and that I've learned from the errors I've made.

I applaud BigTone for wanting to make the experience as humane as possible. I think that is the #1 concern for most of us on this forum but the goal should ultimately be to make it as stress free for the chicken, rather than simply stress free for us.

I agree. I've sometimes entrusted the culling to someone who generally knows better and is against animal cruelty, only to find that 'since the animal was going to die anyway, they experimented with some new cull methods' (which failed and resulted in the animal being put down as planned, but after suffering). I was initially angry at them, but then angry at myself, because really the fault is mine. My animals, my responsibility, my duty.

I'd rather do it myself and know how it went, and why. You never know what people are going to do to your animals, and too often it's the craziest things you can imagine. I truly didn't see a lot of the bizarre incidents coming. It didn't make a difference that I'd known the people for all my life either... Unpredictable at best.

My first deliberate cull was a hen run over by a vehicle, disemboweled but alive. I broke her neck. It was very fast, at least. Worth doing for those who are going to behead them and are worried about missing the stroke. But, that said, some will experience that nervous system over-reaction and run or fly away after beheading, and they may do the same after neck-breaking, so always best to restrain them. As NEChickenNoob's post showed. No method is 100% all the time, unfortunately, and it's pretty much always down to human error. Adequate restraints would take the fail rate down significantly because that's pretty much always what goes wrong --- the animal moved at the wrong moment.

I raise my animals as pets, basically, so they are trusting and calm when cull-time comes, they don't stress due to human contact. I find this easier and kinder than keeping a distance during their lifetimes so you have to deal with a terrified animal come cull-time... I know that option's not available or feasible for everyone, but it works for me. They say you can't name it or it becomes a pet, but I know the names of all the roosters etc I've eaten, at least out of the home-grown ones, of course.

Best wishes.

 

[ChickenLegs13]

My hatchet seems to stun & kill them at the same time. Or at least they look stunned when their head is still laying on the chopping block with that 1 eye blinking back at me while their body does backflips across the yard. I know they prefer the hatchet because when I take one to the chopping block 30 more follow me and cheer me on in a festive like atmosphere.

 

[jaelbird]

I've been struggling with this issue myself. I've lost chickens to predators and illness, and know that culling can be much more humane than letting "nature take its course." I've read the pdf of the Animal Welfare Approved website. As a physician, I see the erroneous assumption that "unconsciousness" equates to the inability to experience pain. In humans unconsciousness may inhibit the "conscious" experience of pain - but an unconscious patient can still experience pain and react to it by withdrawal from the source of pain. I love my chickens but I'm far from presuming what their conscious of experience of their world or their experience might be...
Having seen far too many human deaths, I can only hope that my death and theirs is limited to the 30 seconds of experience that the Animal Welfare Approved organization hypothesizes would happen without stunning the animal. To my mind, what happens in the minutes, hours, days or years leading up to their demise is far more important to their humane treatment than the brief seconds that encompass their death.

 

[ChickenLegs13]

As far as homemade gas chambers go, if one can not stomach "cutting to cull" can they stomach cutting the dead chicken open and pulling his stinking guts out?

Stunning a chicken increases handling stress on the bird and adds more labor to butchering. It might make the human feel better but does nothing to comfort the bird.

Killing a chicken with a hatchet does not resemble swashbuckle pirates trying to chop each other to bits during a sword duel.
Placing the chicken's head between 2 nails in the chopping block immobilizes the chicken and he can't duck, dodge or move a muscle and provides a perfect target.
You don't actually "swing" the hatchet. You hover the hatchet over the chicken's neck and slightly flex your wrist up and down and the deed is done. No way to botch that.
Death can't be any more humane, quick or uneventful.

If the sight of a headless chicken doing backflips in the yard disturbs you then simply toss the carcass into a covered bucket or box until movement ceases.

 

[MeepBeep]

As far as homemade gas chambers go, if one can not stomach "cutting to cull" can they stomach cutting the dead chicken open and pulling his stinking guts out?

I'll bet you will find that many that were reluctant to perform the kill will be able to butcher an already dead bird...

I know for me personally I have been around many people that won't (or are are reluctant to) participate in the actual killing but are more than willing to jump right in after that point... And I'm not only talking about chickens, I know a bunch of my friends wives that would never go out in the woods and hunt an animal but many of them have no problem gutting and dressing what is brought home...

 

[kapunalani]

hmmm... was looking for an electric chicken stunner and this thread came up...

what had me be looking for one...??

http://www.petmd.com/blogs/fullyvetted/2010/nov/decaps_not_best-10542

and then... it seems they are used quite a bit in the UK and the stunner charge is focused on the brain.. with a very quick 'bleed' for the actual kill...???


http://www.hsa.org.uk/introduction-1/introduction-3

 

[abycinnamon]

I was thinking of processing my meat birds this year but I'm not sure if I can dispatch with a knife. I was watching a Gordon Ramsey show where his birds were stunned with a electric stunner then dispatched with a knife, I feel like it's more humane for the chicken...and probably a bit easier on me. Does anyone use a stunner, where do you get them, and is it even common practice here in the states? thanks for the info, ~Anthony

https://www.nationalchickencouncil.org/national-chicken-council-brief-on-stunning-of-chickens/