Quick Question on worming meds

[2greenboyz]

I had a problem about 3 weeks ago with one chicken who I suspected of having worms. They are almost 2 yo. She was drinking alot and not eating much, lethargic. I didn't have Valbazen but did have Wazine and Safeguard. I opted for Safeguard while I waited for the Valbazen to arrive. It took only about 4 days and the sick one showed signs of improvement. Her poop is normal - she has more pep, her drinking has returned to normal. I treated all of them a second time 10 days later with the Safeguard since the Valbazen had not arrived yet. Tomorrow is my 10th day again. I had planned to go ahead with another round of tx but this time with Valbazen.

Now I'm wondering - since I've already done a full round of tx - do you think I should go ahead and use Valbazen now? Or should I just wait and use Valbazen the next time in 6 to 12 months? And do worms build up any resistance to these meds? And I want to Thank YOU for your previous help on this.

 

[ChickenCanoe]

Not eating much doesn't sound like worms, she should be eating more yet getting thinner.

If you suspect worms, have a fecal sample read to find out if they even have worms but more importantly, what kind so you can treat specifically.

Not getting lab work prolongs the problem and yes, worms build up resistance. That's why one should treat for the specific worm and if they persist, change medications.

 

[2greenboyz]

Thanks ChickenCanoe. I'm on a limited income and getting fecals read cost a lot of money. Last time I went to the vet with chickens it cost me $800. I'm in SoCal, been mostly dry here so it's not like it is where Dawg lives. I know worms exist everywhere though, but some places have a higher incidence of problems. The girls are in a run, but do not have access to forage or to wild birds. We did get some rain a month ago and of course they had to drink out of every puddle.

This hen was drinking alot, and was thin. Not sure how much she was eating b/c I couldn't follow her around and watch - but I did notice she headed for the water first and drank lots. Her poo was army green and liquidy. I haven't seen any of that poo since the first worming.

I guess my question to you would be, does Safeguard get all the worms that Valbazen does?

If I treat with Valbazen, I'm guessing it would be another two-rounds just like SG?

 

[casportpony]

Thanks ChickenCanoe. I'm on a limited income and getting fecals read cost a lot of money. Last time I went to the vet with chickens it cost me $800. I'm in SoCal, been mostly dry here so it's not like it is where Dawg lives. I know worms exist everywhere though, but some places have a higher incidence of problems. The girls are in a run, but do not have access to forage or to wild birds. We did get some rain a month ago and of course they had to drink out of every puddle.

This hen was drinking alot, and was thin. Not sure how much she was eating b/c I couldn't follow her around and watch - but I did notice she headed for the water first and drank lots. Her poo was army green and liquidy. I haven't seen any of that poo since the first worming.

I guess my question to you would be, does Safeguard get all the worms that Valbazen does?

If I treat with Valbazen, I'm guessing it would be another two-rounds just like SG?

How close are you to San Benadino? There is a UC Davis lab there that will do fecals for cheap. Safeguard muct be used at 0.23 ml per pound five days in a row, and even then it might not be as effective as Valbazen at just 0.08 ml per pound. Get the Valbazen.

http://www.vetmed.ucdavis.edu/cahfs/services/lab_locations.cfm
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[casportpony]

and remember that necropsies for us in CA are free.

-Kathy

 

[ChickenCanoe]

And remember, throwing good money after bad, just prolongs the problem and birds continue to be unthrifty or die without knowing what the problem is.

 

[casportpony]

Cost for a direct fecal is $8.50, cost for a float is $10.50. A combo of those will test for coccidia and worm eggs.
http://www.vetmed.ucdavis.edu/cahfs/local-assets/pdfs/fee lists/Poultry_fee_list_2013.pdf

-Kathy

 

[2greenboyz]

Hey Thanks Kathy I was hoping I would hear from you! Yes, I know all about the lab in SBerdoo. I took Jet there almost 2 years ago, thought she had pox, treated her but it wouldn't go away, turned out to be a type of cancer in her throat and sinus. I posted the necropsy rpt on that. They're about an hour away (horrible frways horrible). Yes, they do free necropsy, they'll put it down.

I GOT the Valbazen. I read about dosage. I'm just wondering now if I should go through the trouble of treating her if I already got her cured (I think). In other words, she "seems" fine now, I really don't feel like terrorizing her for five days if I don't have to - which is how I feel anyway. That's why I was wondering about how SG and Valbazen compare in terms of what bugs they actually get. On the other hand, since worms may build resistance, I don't want to overdo it either. I'm thinking I'll wait on actually using the Valbazen and use that next time. I'm also thinking of getting a scope and doing my own floatation. Anyone ever do that? I just read about it. Amazing what you can find on the net. Thanks again Kathy, you are amazing you come up with that info so quick.

 

[casportpony]

Valbazen dose is just 0.08 ml per pound for one day and repeat in ten days.

-Kathy

 

[2greenboyz]

@ChickenCanoe - yes, you are right. I do take mine to the lab if I can't solve it and don't know what the problem is. But a vet is out of the question. She seems improved now - I'm just being Motherly lol.

@casportpony - thanks. I didn't know that's what they charge. Just wish they had one closer to me (cuz I'm not moving haha) That is good to know..