Rantings to stop eating Free Range eggs~ please respond !

[angel8035]

Its true. Some plants need a female and male plant. The plants that dont are called self pollinating plants. Thats when things like the wind push "male pollen" into the middle of the flower where the "female pollen" is . I think kiwi trees/bush/vines are an example of male and female. (male and female are not the right word to use I think but its just easier to explain with

I wasn't addressing the male/female plant comment. That is without a doubt true.

The original poster said that plants feel pain, which is impossible without a nervous system to send pain impulses and a brain to interpret them.

 

[Moochie]

Bacon comes from regular market hogs. Pigs are usually slaughtered when they reach market weight, which if memory serves, is between about 200 and 250 pounds or so. Pigs can be slaughtered at any age. There is quite a market for 90 to 100 pound pigs in some areas. They end up as whole hog BBQ. Old hogs are made into sausage and linguica.

Why won't you eat beef? Just curious.

I made some comments on Catherine's web page. To my surprise she printed them without any nasty comments. I missed Dave's meltdown. I don't plan on going back to the web page though. Waste of time. Their motto can be summed up as follows:

My mind is made up. Don't confuse me with the facts.

I don't like the taste of beef. It's flavorless in my opinion. I was never a fan of steak, I don't like the chewy fat on outer part of the steak so I would spend time cutting it off which normally left me with less than half of what was originally on my plate. Then comes the extra steak sauce (I have to put alot because of beef having little to no flavor) and the rough texture that I have to chew. When I was younger I ate paper (I don't know why I did I just got curious and started ripping off the corners but it eventually became a problem because I was doing it to my assignments and tests in elementary) and steak is similar to paper somehow..
I'm not going back to it either, it's blah. Interesting though, some folks are really stubborn and only believe in one thing.

Also about plants feeling pain, that would a little creepy if they did.

 

[Frosty]

Lots of misinformation here on the impact of eating or not eating animals....

Approximately 40% of the worlds grain is fed to agricultural animals. Stop producing food animals and you free up all that food for human consumption. Or reduce it by have and you still have more food available. In the United States alone we feed enough grain to animals to feed at additional 840 million vegetarians. For every pound of meat produced 6 pound of grain are used. This means more water, fertilizer and land use for a meat based diet than for a plant based diet.

It takes about 220 gallons of water to produce 16oz of soybeans, and about 2000 gallons of water to produce 16 oz of beef.

Resources: American Journal of Clinical Nutrition
http://truecostblog.com/2010/02/24/list-of-foods-by-environmental-impact-and-energy-efficiency/

It takes 20 + pounds of corn to make 1 gallon of ethanol. How many vegetarians could be fed with what we use for fuel? And a lot of that 2000 gallons of water eventually gets returned to the earth.

 

[cassie]

I have found these arguments on the amount of grain or water or whatever to produce livestock to be a little silly. Computations on paper are not what actually happens in the real world. Much of the land used for raising beef is not suitable for anything else, and a lot of the feeds fed to livestock are so-called byproduct feeds that are really suitable for nothing else. If these products were not fed to livestock they would be simply thrown away. A few examples of these feeds are things like beet pulp, a byproduct of the sugar industry which is a good feed that used to be considered a waste product. Cottonseed is fed to dairy cows. Brewers grains from the production of alcoholic beverages are fed to hogs and cattle. Almond hulls (not shells) are used a lot in cattle feeds. Waste food from the casinos in Las Vegas end up as hog feed. Waste from canneries and vegetable and fruit packing sheds end up as livestock feeds in the areas where these are available. While crop failures from drought and other natural disastors cause food shortages and starvation, one of the major, if not the major problem of food shortages is not food production so much as food distribution, or rather the lack of it and political unrest. Food simply does not get to where it is needed, and political unrest makes farming and food production in a region impossible.

 

[Stephanie739]

She deletes the comments she doesn't agree with. My comment was kind, but I told her my extra roos will eventually be dinner after a good life, a compassionate end, and thanks for the food.

 

[hemet dennis]

She deletes the comments she doesn't agree with. My comment was kind, but I told her my extra roos will eventually be dinner after a good life, a compassionate end, and thanks for the food.

I see lots of comments she doesn't agree with.

 

[Stephanie739]

Well I tried writing another comment, just my two cents about factory farms (which I hate!) and it would not even go through. I was blocked. Oh well. I also asked what the animal sanctuary does with the eggs laid lol I wasn't trying to be rude either, just curious.

 

[ladyrsanti]

I didn't want to say it in case I offended someone but since you brought it up cassie...

But the truth is, I have a thing with numbers too. My vegan cousin used to do it to me all the time. The other thing I didn't want to say in case I offended someone is that she did it in such a way that it reminded me of religion. You know, faith is irrefutable to the religious as a scientific study is to a vegan. It's what they use to make their case and you can't dispute it because it's there in writing with resources = fact. Okay, dropping the religious analogy now, never to be spoken of again, so I don't get banned. Anyway, it's just like Catherine used the facts she found for that article to make her point. She found a bunch, indeed, but they were copied and pasted from who knows where on the internet. I doubt she's ever seen any of those methods actually used or even set foot in a hatchery. She doesn't "know" it, she dug the figures up and presented them as fact. I noticed some people questioned some of those methods as outdated. I profess that I don't know. I've heard that they cull male chicks and I believe that they do, but I refuse to take everything she said as the truth. Still, the matter of going vegan to avoid the unethical treatment of chicks is a moot point. Just because she says these things are true and therefore the way to solve the perceived problem is to go vegan... no. Whether or not they are facts, it is a matter of personal conviction. I don't think it's pleasant that anyone culls male chicks but the befits outweigh the unpleasantness for me. It's one of those facts of life.

Back on topic though... don't get me wrong, I'm a science nut. My mom is a science teacher and not the type who does it for pay, she lives and breathes science. I totally appreciate a good scientific article with the latest findings and 'never stop learning' is my motto. But the problem I found when dealing with someone who is so dead-set on an idea such as veganism is that there are so many conflicting results from countless studies, made by different companies and universities, for different reasons that you can find numbers that work for whatever point you want to prove if you dig deep enough or follow scientists who share your passion and goals. I mean, how do you spot the legit scientific study first off, then find one that isn't biased or paid for by a third party with an agenda? It's hard! Plus for every study that comes out is another study to prove or disprove the previous. It's the way science works. Experiments have to be repeatable. But until they can all agree, there are tons of numbers up for grabs by whoever wants to use them, ie., a vegan looking to make a point. It isn't worth my time to do my own search to try and find a study to counter my cousin or Catherine, and it is pointless to indicate that studies are limited in scope and subject to scrutiny. Because to them, it is law. Therefore, and to quote Snape, they are both "insufferable know-it-all".

Okay, back to my hole now!

 

[hemet dennis]

Well I tried writing another comment, just my two cents about factory farms (which I hate!) and it would not even go through. I was blocked. Oh well. I also asked what the animal sanctuary does with the eggs laid lol I wasn't trying to be rude either, just curious.

She said she would feed them back to the chickens. she also said she knows how people on BYC feel and wanted to move the conversation on.

 

[Stephanie739]

She said she would feed them back to the chickens. she also said she knows how people on BYC feel and wanted to move the conversation on.

Fair enough. I'm glad they are used! Thanks.