Breeding sexlink to sexlink

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i would argue that one can most certainly breed any of the sexlinks and the like.

and i have really thought of doing just that.

it seems to me that the hybrid vigor would be lost in the F1 gen. and possibly drop in succeeding generations.

BUT BUT (and this is my argument for breeding them): One only need to select for the BEST layers (or whatever one is selecting for) in those F1, F2 etc. generations and one could be off to something very good--and very pretty.

I refuse to believe that the rate of lay would just PLUNGE to near zilch in succeeding generations, making the birds totally useless for breeding.

It seems to me rather that, since ISA and the like carry fine production genes--males and females--then in some measure, maybe in big measure, these possibilities could/can/will be passed down to the following generations.

THEN, it is up to intelligent selection to preserve that fine laying capacity.

I really think these could be bred quite successfully. AGAIN, I HAVE NO USE FOR THE SHOW BIRD..............but i understand those who do.

I'd appreciate your thoughts on my 'argument for breeding sex-link to sex-link'
 
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I'm failing to see what you're getting at here?
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Of course they wouldn't be a show bird, they're a mutt.

They would indeed keep "hybrid vigor" if you breed black to gold sex link or the likes, but the more you breed solely for productivity, the less vigor you have. They'll get even MORE risk of eggbound, internal laying, short lifespan, etc.

So I say go for it, just don't forget that you're doing what such companies like Hyline did. Create a super producer. . . . But for a max of about 1 year, usually less.
 
I agree that the egg production will not just drop in the F2 and so on. I have bred many sexlinks to sexlinks and they lay just as well as their parents. I agree with Illia as you definitely need to select for hardyness and not just production. Are you trying to standardize a production bird? As far as pretty, you do know that you will also have to breed several strains if you want them to be sexlinked?
 
Thanks, yes, hardiness is included above for sure in what i said about 'or whatever else you are selecting for'...................

I don't breed birds that are less than two years old, either.

i am not concerned in the least about sex link being retained, nor about creating a new anything, really. I just want a sustainable flock of pretty good layers.

this thread is just a thought that i have had. who knows what i will end up pursuing..................
 
Ryan, I don't suppose you have any pics of the offspring from your SLs?

btw, IF i ended up going this route, i would probably start with sexlinks from Moyers: RIR roo on a WR hen. Buff red color, of course...............
 
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I agree that breeding Sexlink to Sexlink shouldnt dramatically drop production of their offspring, though I have never really heard much of an argument against this idea. It seems like where the confusion comes in is the whole deal that Sexlink X Sexlink does not equal Sexlink.

But I plan to start a flock of Golden Commets mainly for layers and keep Golden Commet roos with them and hatch some to sell locally during the spring time but I'm not really basing the choice on the productivity an such but just mainly that I should get about 4 different color variations from breeding them together.
 
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This roosters father was a New Hampshire and mother a Black Sexlink:
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Here is his son, his mother was a Red Sexlink:
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I have others but its a blizzard outside right now so not the ideal time to take pictures.
 
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I don't understand, you would get high production mutts (with all problems of high production) that can not be sexed at hatch.


Or are you asking this?
Hearty + Production = healthy producer

Production + Production = high producer with possible problems.

Hearty +Hearty = healthy bird with lower production.​
 
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Here is a better approach, Hardy Producer + Hardy Producer = Hardy Producer. Production bird dont have to not be hardy.
 
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Do you have data for these positions?
(1.) MORE risk of eggbound, internal laying short lifespan, etc??
On what do you base this risk? What references can you provide for this?

(2.) a super producer. . . But for a max of about 1 year, usually less??
Hyline, I.S.A./Hendrix and other genetics companies publish the results of their egg laying and show that following a molt at 52 weeks, the second year's production to be over 300 eggs, remarkable similar to the first years production. In fact, peak egg production does not occur until week 90, which is toward the end of the second year.
http://www.hyline.com/userdocs/Hy-LineBrown.pdf

A sex-link may or may not be someone's cup of tea, but one needs to exercise some caution about making statements as fact that may merely be oft-repeated myths that may not have basis in fact.

Best Regards,
 

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