Finally made my decision about antibiotics for a case of recurring bumblefoot in my Rhode Island Red, Nugget. After extensive research, including discussion with a pharmacist friend, I decided to go with injectable penicillin for 6 days. Since I have never given an injection I did even more research about that. Great site with articles that helped:
https://sites.google.com/a/poultryp...oultry-podiatry#chickens_penicillin_injection - for info on using penicillin.
https://sites.google.com/a/poultrypedia.com/poultrypedia/poultry-podiatry - search "give injection" for detailed instructions on how to administer.
https://sites.google.com/a/poultrypedia.com/poultrypedia/medicine-chart - which medication to use.
Penicillin Purchase:
Bought the Penicillin at the local feed store no Rx needed, no questions asked, but my choices were limited to one item:
- Pen-Aqueous injectable, 100 mL for $14 (way more than I need)
Another post used: https://www.backyardchickens.com/forum/viewtopic.php?id=75288
Rx needed to buy syringes?
For the syringes and needles, I read that "people" syringes are the best to use. So rather than buy them at the feed store, I decided to visit my local WalMart pharmacy. Note that I live in the SACRAMENTO, California area and have never bought needles before. Is that even legal?? Do I need a prescription? More research ensued...
The Law:
As of 10/20/11, the website of the Dept. of Consumer Affairs, State Board of Pharmacy (for California) stated: "A pharmacist or a veterinarian may, without a prescription, furnish hypodermic needles and syringe for use on poultry or animals. Any such furnishing of a hypodermic needle or syringe without a prescription must be recorded in a book by the furnisher." http://www.pharmacy.ca.gov/applicants/apply_for_a_license.shtml - So no Rx needed for poultry use, great!
Needles - 22 gauge and the Harpoon for Horses, 16 gauge
So I go to WalMart, and the pharmacist refused to sell me needles that big (one 16 gauge and several 22 gauge) without a prescription. Reason he gave??? "Those are used for steroids." I had all my printed out articles on the use of injectable penicillin in chickens with me, and I am an average sized female, clearly not on steroids. Argued a little with the pharmacist about the law, wished I had printed that out too and brought it with me. Finally decided to have my vet call in the Rx, but it was Saturday and he was away for the weekend. Left WalMart, went to Walgreens pharmacy. First thing the tech did was check stock and tell me that they only carry diabetic-type needles which are thinner at 28-31 gauge. Other customer asked what gauge I was after, and when I said 16 and 22 he told me "16 - that's harpoon sized!" Both agreed that I would have better luck at the feed store so I went BACK to the feed store I had just left 30 minutes before.
Got the needles:
Local feed store sold me the needles and syringes with no Rx needed and no hassle. Just had to provide my photo ID which they recorded in a log that I signed. I planned for 6 injections but got extra needles and an extra syringe to use for practice and in case one broke or something. Flu shot guy at work told me to practice on an orange. Said I could fill the syringe with vodka, shoot up the orange, refrigerate and then eat it later. LOL, life must be a party at that medical school!
- Qty of 10 needles, 22 gauge thickness, length 1" (way too long but no other choices) at $0.90 each = $9.00
- Qty of 1 needle, 16 gauge thickness, length 1" (for drawing penicilllin from vial) was about 25 cents, so $0.25
- Qty of 2 syringes without needles, size 3 mL (way too big but again, no other choices) about $1.75 each = $3.50
- Qty of 1 "feeder" syringe, size 12 mL to use for flushing the bumblefoot wound with sterile saline was $2.00
At this point I am $30.00 into the antibiotics and still have not started using them. I am very scared to inject my little chicken Nugget! What if I stab her in the heart or lungs by accident?? How do I know I am doing it right?? It's one thing for me to perform major foot surgery on her multiple times but somehow administering an injection seems crazy to me. We only have 5 chickens and they are part of our family. We love all our pets - me accidentally causing the death of one would traumatize us forever.
Will post more when I have an update. Just wanted to get this experience out there in case others need to buy injectable antibiotics with needles and syringes. Had no idea that what I needed was a giant needle like the kind used by 'Roid Rage Gymrat Guy. Makes sense now that you can only get them at the feed store. And if you live in the Sacramento, CA area don't waste time trying to buy them at WalMart because they clearly don't care about keeping current on changes to state law affecting the dispensing of syringes. Not that it mattered, since they did not have them in stock anyways!!
Thanks for reading.
https://sites.google.com/a/poultryp...oultry-podiatry#chickens_penicillin_injection - for info on using penicillin.
https://sites.google.com/a/poultrypedia.com/poultrypedia/poultry-podiatry - search "give injection" for detailed instructions on how to administer.
https://sites.google.com/a/poultrypedia.com/poultrypedia/medicine-chart - which medication to use.
Penicillin Purchase:
Bought the Penicillin at the local feed store no Rx needed, no questions asked, but my choices were limited to one item:
- Pen-Aqueous injectable, 100 mL for $14 (way more than I need)
Another post used: https://www.backyardchickens.com/forum/viewtopic.php?id=75288
Rx needed to buy syringes?
For the syringes and needles, I read that "people" syringes are the best to use. So rather than buy them at the feed store, I decided to visit my local WalMart pharmacy. Note that I live in the SACRAMENTO, California area and have never bought needles before. Is that even legal?? Do I need a prescription? More research ensued...
The Law:
As of 10/20/11, the website of the Dept. of Consumer Affairs, State Board of Pharmacy (for California) stated: "A pharmacist or a veterinarian may, without a prescription, furnish hypodermic needles and syringe for use on poultry or animals. Any such furnishing of a hypodermic needle or syringe without a prescription must be recorded in a book by the furnisher." http://www.pharmacy.ca.gov/applicants/apply_for_a_license.shtml - So no Rx needed for poultry use, great!
Needles - 22 gauge and the Harpoon for Horses, 16 gauge
So I go to WalMart, and the pharmacist refused to sell me needles that big (one 16 gauge and several 22 gauge) without a prescription. Reason he gave??? "Those are used for steroids." I had all my printed out articles on the use of injectable penicillin in chickens with me, and I am an average sized female, clearly not on steroids. Argued a little with the pharmacist about the law, wished I had printed that out too and brought it with me. Finally decided to have my vet call in the Rx, but it was Saturday and he was away for the weekend. Left WalMart, went to Walgreens pharmacy. First thing the tech did was check stock and tell me that they only carry diabetic-type needles which are thinner at 28-31 gauge. Other customer asked what gauge I was after, and when I said 16 and 22 he told me "16 - that's harpoon sized!" Both agreed that I would have better luck at the feed store so I went BACK to the feed store I had just left 30 minutes before.
Got the needles:
Local feed store sold me the needles and syringes with no Rx needed and no hassle. Just had to provide my photo ID which they recorded in a log that I signed. I planned for 6 injections but got extra needles and an extra syringe to use for practice and in case one broke or something. Flu shot guy at work told me to practice on an orange. Said I could fill the syringe with vodka, shoot up the orange, refrigerate and then eat it later. LOL, life must be a party at that medical school!
- Qty of 10 needles, 22 gauge thickness, length 1" (way too long but no other choices) at $0.90 each = $9.00
- Qty of 1 needle, 16 gauge thickness, length 1" (for drawing penicilllin from vial) was about 25 cents, so $0.25
- Qty of 2 syringes without needles, size 3 mL (way too big but again, no other choices) about $1.75 each = $3.50
- Qty of 1 "feeder" syringe, size 12 mL to use for flushing the bumblefoot wound with sterile saline was $2.00
At this point I am $30.00 into the antibiotics and still have not started using them. I am very scared to inject my little chicken Nugget! What if I stab her in the heart or lungs by accident?? How do I know I am doing it right?? It's one thing for me to perform major foot surgery on her multiple times but somehow administering an injection seems crazy to me. We only have 5 chickens and they are part of our family. We love all our pets - me accidentally causing the death of one would traumatize us forever.
Will post more when I have an update. Just wanted to get this experience out there in case others need to buy injectable antibiotics with needles and syringes. Had no idea that what I needed was a giant needle like the kind used by 'Roid Rage Gymrat Guy. Makes sense now that you can only get them at the feed store. And if you live in the Sacramento, CA area don't waste time trying to buy them at WalMart because they clearly don't care about keeping current on changes to state law affecting the dispensing of syringes. Not that it mattered, since they did not have them in stock anyways!!
Thanks for reading.