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    The American Cemani Breeders Club...open forum

    There is now a proposed SOP, which calls for an all black bird. The attraction/challenge to this breed is the all black coloring. There are already Dutch, British and Indonesian standards calling for an all black bird. So...for it to be an Ayam Cemani, it should be all black. I also...
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    Genetics/phenotype feet in Ayam Cemani

    Ok, interesting. I have looked for and read what i can find about the fm or edn3 expression. I think all of it relates to silkies. Do you know of any other studies relating to the extra melanizers or where I can find more info on them? This is an interesting breed to be sure.
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    Genetics/phenotype feet in Ayam Cemani

    thanks for the info! What is puzzling to me is that chicks with white toes can also have darker mouths than all black chicks. Hatching all black is no guarantee that they stay all black or are even all black inside. So on one hand they are exhibiting lack of melanizers and on the other they...
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    Genetics/phenotype feet in Ayam Cemani

    I should add--Almost all white toes turn black with in a few weeks. Sometimes toes with white toenails keep the white toenail. If a bird hatches with clear toenails, often the quick is black and as they age the nail darkens. Most white toes turn black. Some times there is a white spot left...
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    Genetics/phenotype feet in Ayam Cemani

    I have been breeding AC for a little over a year and have been trying to understand the genetics involved with the the phenotype of the birds. They are a land race breed--so have a varied background and color has been selected for over time. The faults we get in the AC are color leakage in the...
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    Chicken Breed Focus - Ayam Cemani

    People do sell roosters. The problem with roosters, is that their faults can show up a lot later than most people buy and sell. I have 6 month old roosters that look fantastic, that doesnt mean that some mulberry wont show up closer to a year. If you are willing to spent over $300-400...
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    cream legbars....I think I got it but....

    Thanks Meep, that is my thinking. When I get chicks, if I want to breed, I almost always then go back and get an unrelated roo once I see what females I have. Probably inefficient, I 'm sure. I will do my research on CL while these chicks grow up. Would it be a good idea to get a rooster...
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    cream legbars....I think I got it but....

    I appreciate your feedback Egg...I have a 'thing' against line breeding actually. But I understand it is common practice for chickens and very useful. I think my problem is that with most back yard breeders (me included) you buy a bunch of chicks or eggs, and then breed those back to each...
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    cream legbars....I think I got it but....

    Thanks Summer--I have a hard time with healthy looking chicks just up and dying. They were beautiful-big and fluffy, no difficulty hatching. And 4...just ticks me off. I guess I shouldnt complain too much. These were shipped eggs. 15 eggs, 100% fertility, 2 early quitters and 3 late...
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    cream legbars....I think I got it but....

    Thanks for the history Meep. Let me know if I am correct--most of these chicks are clearly sexable. The 2 I guessed wrong on are not clear and would not be good for me to use as breeders if my goal is sexable, right? If I want a stronger flock, how can I get different bloodlines to...
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    cream legbars....I think I got it but....

    Thanks Dom--are you focusing on the little stripes on either side of the big middle stripe? Thanks Summer. Very cute, but I lost 4 today. Not sure what went wrong for them. They hatched Thurs in to Friday with no problems, seemed comfortable under the heat, got their beaks dipped and shown...
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    cream legbars....I think I got it but....

    ok...Here are some closeups. I put my guesses on the pictures. 3 males here, 4 females.
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    cream legbars....I think I got it but....

    Thanks Meep...I will get individual pics. I was so sure female on the last pic, but then that little white spot had me confused. I have 2-3 of them like that. That is mainly what threw me. My goal is probably more towards the stronger auto sexing. My guess is I will be selling pullets to...
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    cream legbars....I think I got it but....

    Thanks for the responses. Can anyone give me some idea of what you see? Is the pic of the single chick a boy or girl. Which ones would you mark for future breeders? If I am going to do this, I'd like to do it right. I was happy with the hatch size, I hope I have a good start. My thinking...
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    cream legbars....I think I got it but....

    I bought hatching eggs...these are my first CCLs. I have hatched Rhodebars from eggs as well and they were way way easier and distinct. If this is how these birds auto sex, I am not sure I will continue with them. Most people in my area cannot have roosters so I was hoping to be able to offer...
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    cream legbars....I think I got it but....

    I am brand new to CCLs and have been looking at pics and reading. Please let me know if I got this right! I had 10 hatch. I think I have 5 boys 5 girls. I am confused about seeing dark chipmunk stripes, eyeliner and a head spot! I wouldnt mind being wrong and having more girls lol!
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    What the heck??

    Thanks for the link. Nope, this is one of the bigger chicks lol. And alert, happy and vigorous.
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    What the heck??

    While feeding my meat chicks (cornish cross), I just noticed one who is still naked! They are 3 weeks old and most of them are mostly feathered--tails, wings, back and chest mostly. This little one has 2-3 wing feathers and that's about it! Has anyone run into this before. While we are now...
  19. cafrhe

    The American Cemani Breeders Club...open forum

    Google Fibromelanosis in chickens or poultry and you should get some of the scientific studies. The Silkie is the most studied I think. And from what I have read the SH is derived from the AC.
  20. cafrhe

    The American Cemani Breeders Club...open forum

    Svart Hona's were developed in Sweden for better adaptation to the cold and I think better egg layers (anyone correct me please!). What breeds were they developed from. I was told that they are derived from the AC, so are close 'cousins'. Is that correct? What other breeds were used, or were...
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