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  1. dheltzel

    The Welsummer Thread!!!!

    No, the "recipe" is much more complicated than that. See this link: http://www.harislau.info/welbars Also, check out my website: http://welbars.com It has pics of eggs, chicks and roos as well.
  2. dheltzel

    The Welsummer Thread!!!!

    I can post some pics of my Welbars (Crele Welsummers). The first 2 are gold, the last is silver.
  3. dheltzel

    The Welsummer Thread!!!!

    Welsummers are not truly autosexing. Hatcheries also vent sex chicks and I've seen videos where they use the physical characterics, like the sharper "eye liner" and "V" to pre-sort the chicks, then verify with vent sexing to confirm the sex. Hatcheries routinely promise only 90% accuracy, but I...
  4. dheltzel

    The Welsummer Thread!!!!

    "Autosexing" is a term usually reserved for true breeding strains that are readily sexable. Welsummers are not autosexing in the same way that Legbars and Rhodebars are. I have Welsummers from Whitmore Farm (they are about 30 minutes from where I grew up and my Dad now lives) and there are a lot...
  5. dheltzel

    The Welsummer Thread!!!!

    I agree with you in principle, but I can think of 2 reasons to crossbreed: 1) for fun, to see what you get. No harm if you have a plan for the progeny. Our very best layers are the "so called" barnyard mixes. Some are such pretty birds I wish I could get them true breeding. 2) breeding project...
  6. dheltzel

    The Welsummer Thread!!!!

    Welsummers are the best roos ever !! So beautiful and well mannered. I let the extra roos free range on the farm and the ones that survive are tall and smart. They rarely get into skirmishes with the other roos, I think the others are rightly intimidated by their size. One of my customers...
  7. dheltzel

    The Welsummer Thread!!!!

    What color is the Welsummer's breast? If it's black, it's a roo, if brown and patterned a pullet. Contrary to popular opinion, pattern sexing Welsummers is not 100% accurate. I also have Welbars (a Welsummer with the barring gene added to make "Crele") and they are 100% sexable, even to the...
  8. dheltzel

    The Welsummer Thread!!!!

    I spent a while learning how the autosexing genetics work and found a lot of info about turning my favorite breed, the Welsummers, into an autosexing Welbar. Really, a Welbar is just a Crele Welsummer. There are Silver Duckwing Welsummers, but when the Crele were created they were given the name...
  9. dheltzel

    The Welsummer Thread!!!!

    Yes. Hybrid vigor (geneticists call it heterozygosity - pretty sure I spelled that wrong) is effectively undoing the effects of inbreeding. Inbreeding can happen intentionally (usually called line breeding because "inbreeding" has a bad connotation) or just the result of a small founding...
  10. dheltzel

    The Welsummer Thread!!!!

    Every Welsummer roo I have is like that, and so pretty too. They are my "go to breed" when someone wants a flock protector roo that can be trusted around people.
  11. dheltzel

    The Welsummer Thread!!!!

    I feel your pain. My Welsummers were my favorite breed last year, but they just don't seem to thrive under my care like the other breeds I have. I suspect inbreeding because the Welbars I created from this same line of Welsummers (by a cross to a barred rock 3 years ago) are doing fine, they are...
  12. dheltzel

    The Welsummer Thread!!!!

    I get $8 for "probable pullets". I don't guarantee the sex, but only sell ones that aren't clearly males.
  13. dheltzel

    The Welsummer Thread!!!!

    Personality traits like this are not uniform by breed, but vary by the genetic line of the birds and even individual personalities. My Welsummers are much more "mellow" than my Rhodebars or (especially) the Barred Rocks. Any hen can bully others if the situation is right. Since yours are...
  14. dheltzel

    The Welsummer Thread!!!!

    IDK how far Thurmont, MD is from you, but Whitmore Farm has very nice Welsummers. They are much better than regular hatchery stock. You would need to pickup small orders like you are wanting. You could also consider getting a box of 25 and selling the extras locally. There is usually quite a...
  15. dheltzel

    The Welsummer Thread!!!!

    I sold both Welsummer and BCM chicks this year and both are extremely popular here in PA. I sold more Wellies because of being able to sex the chicks, but the BCM's were more profitable for exactly that reason (I sold them all of the same price, but the Wellie cockerels were given away or...
  16. dheltzel

    The Welsummer Thread!!!!

    Where are you located? I have several, but can't ship, so if you are anywhere near Philly . . .
  17. dheltzel

    The Welsummer Thread!!!!

    Maybe you don't want to be told this, but every female chick purchased means that a male chick was hatched and probably killed (humanely). If you can't stomach the idea of some chicks dying because they are the wrong sex, you're going to have a problem with chickens in general. There are some...
  18. dheltzel

    The Welsummer Thread!!!!

    I don't ship and it's too far to drive unless you have reason to be in Philly for other things (if you do, PM me). Mine came from Whitmore Farm in Thurmont, MD, and I can highly recommend his stock. They do ship (25 minimum of course), but they are not always available. You might contact them to...
  19. dheltzel

    The Welsummer Thread!!!!

    It would help if you would tell us where you are located (maybe add it to your profile so it shows up in all your posts). I hatch Welsummers from Whitmore Farm stock, but I don't ship them.
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