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  1. punk-a-doodle

    Rabbit raid?

    This is still the US, the land of the free, and if I want to raise my animals in their own poop, why can't I? If they are healthy, happy and display no symptoms of illness, why can't I raise them the way I want? I might think its the new green... You would have to vote/change the laws in your...
  2. punk-a-doodle

    Rabbit raid?

    In laboratory settings at least, (talking about the more restricted pure research), the conditions pictured would not be allowed. I can't imagine ours approaching anything like that, and that includes mice which are allowed more contact with feces than rabbits. The reasons include not just...
  3. punk-a-doodle

    Rabbit raid?

    Punk-a-doodle - if you have to ask for clarification, it probably should not be mentioned. This is a perfect example of why and how phrasing is so important. You could just as easily say the breed was "originally bred for illegal activities." - but ONLY in the sense of describing where the...
  4. punk-a-doodle

    Rabbit raid?

    Hey flockwatcher, do you mind clarifying those rules? For instance, if someone mentions a certain breed of chicken was "originally bred for cock fighting", that would not be locked based on the rules of cock fighting I'm assuming. Basically, what exactly is allowable? Thanks.
  5. punk-a-doodle

    Rabbit raid?

    Understand this is a culling rabbitry. In other words, people who could not bring themselves to slaughter their own rabbits, brought them to Debe to do so. Is there any documentation of this? Would be interested to know if things like the matted angoras were brought in for slaughter. If so...
  6. punk-a-doodle

    Rabbit raid?

    I would not suspect photoshop. As another poster said, groups are much more likely to stage/alter evidence than photoshop something. It is much easier to simply take photos from another raid or muck up dishes, and people who can do a really, really convincing photoshopped bit are not exactly...
  7. punk-a-doodle

    Rabbit raid?

    I really want to hear more about the photos. I wouldn't be surprised at all that a group would do that, but I am surprised that at least most seemed to include backdrop that seemed to correspond with earlier footage of her barn from well before the raid. Good to keep seeing updates on this as...
  8. punk-a-doodle

    Rabbit raid?

    I disagree with one part of that. I see tons of manufactured and manipulated stories being put out. I have seen purposefully edited videos of people I personally work with which I know are outrageous. I've also had personal experience with one group who used time and money to send out a mole...
  9. punk-a-doodle

    Rabbit raid?

    My friend that knows Ms. Bell was just visited by police and the same group Ms. Bell was raided by. Was she visited by the shelter they were interviewing, or the HRS by chance? Aye, there has been a lot of scrutiny over the monetary reward based system, and for good reason imo. If I saw a dog...
  10. punk-a-doodle

    Rabbit raid?

    I didn't notice that on the last photo, there are j-feeders and water bottles. I'm so confused about the whole bowl/auto watering system/bottle situation. Deb, the angora in the full on bottom shot mainly has stained hind feet. The (fuzzy lop? Argh, still so bad with the lop breeds) lop and...
  11. punk-a-doodle

    Rabbit raid?

    Huh, where do you live by chance (just general country)? I'm in the US. The aviary I worked at, rehabs I've been to, and the zoo all will not live feed specifically due to public pressure as they rely on public funds. We did live feed crickets and roaches, but no one ever complains about...
  12. punk-a-doodle

    Rabbit raid?

    I had a pet (indoor) English angora, and I would occasionally let him grow out and blow his coat so I could gather his wool...though I lost it all in the move, darnit. Someone out there got a nasty shock when they opened that bag... At any rate, his coat never looked close to that. He would...
  13. punk-a-doodle

    Rabbit raid?

    Finally, some photos/information! Yeah, those conditions look bad to me in my personal opinion. Especially with heavy soiling in the food dishes and cage corners. Glad to see it wasn't a completely bogus deal in a way. In a way, it is comforting to see a case where it is not just AR strong...
  14. punk-a-doodle

    Rabbit raid?

    Thank you for posting this. I know someone was taking donations to help her take this to court. Anyone have any more information on that?
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