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Diary & Notes ~ Air Cell Detatched SHIPPED Chicken Eggs for incubation and hatching

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Doug Hodges said:
Assist rate is real high.
I dont keep spread sheets.
I have about a dozen thermostats and the digital ones all read exactly the same. They are right on with the thermostat in the soda pop machine. They are exact with 3 other thermometers. The rest I discarded because they were everywhere. I dont think thats the problem. I cant see that many digital thermometers being off.

Now for the incubators. The incubator that just hatched had an excellent hatch the last time with mostly my own eggs. not so good this time.

I havent had a good hatch yet in the still air ones. I say good hatch being 25 out of 30. Im getting 50% but the problem is the fully formed dead chicks. Thats what I dont get.

I have noticed that the forced air do have better hatches. I was just really disappointed with this hatch. I didnt get the all around pipping and breaking out. I had to assist most of them and I waited 24 hours on most of them that I helped. I lost a few because I didnt help them in time and some still havent absorbed the embryo.

Sometimes I wonder if the outside eggs are getting cold.
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Doug, I think the problem may lie with the breeding stock or the handling of the eggs prior to them getting to you. I've had another look through my troubleshooting guide and the only things I can add is Excessive fumigation during hatching and eggs set small end up. I doubt that's the case here! Try converting your still air 'bator to a forced air and see how it goes? I've had better hatches in a forced air, personally.
 
Toast n Jelly said:
Quote: Finally was able to access PM thanks.
legs don't bend, she is in a sitting position...teacup didn't work, her little feet popped up to the rim and her body slid down.
ok, I am searching bear with me too, I have all the kids coming on the bus now!

here is this from the hatching article a while

I know I have the info I just cant find that info!!! ugggg

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Sally Sunshine said:
Quote: Finally was able to access PM thanks.
legs don't bend, she is in a sitting position...teacup didn't work, her little feet popped up to the rim and her body slid down.
ok, I am searching bear with me too, I have all the kids coming on the bus now!

here is this from the hatching article a while

I know I have the info I just cant find that info!!! ugggg

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Thanks I have been reading it and not for the first time lol...but it doesn't have the sitting chick syndrome on it :) Tend to your human flock and I'll continue researching.
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Sally, Oz, whoever's interested, here's the rundown on nutrient deficiencies and the effect on embryos. Could be death/physical symptoms, depending on severity:

Nutrient Deficiency Signs: Vitamin A Death at about 48 hours of incubation from failure to develop the circulatory system; abnormalities of kidneys, eyes and skeleton
Vitamin D Death at about 18 or 19 days of incubation, with malpositions, soft bones, and with a defective upper beak prominent.
Vitamin E Early death at about 84 to 96 hours of incubation, with hemorrhaging and circulatory failure (implicated with selenium).
Thiamin High embryonic mortality during emergence but no obvious symptoms other than polyneuritis in those that survive.
Riboflavin (Vitamin B2) Mortality peaks at 60 hours, 14 days, and 20 days of incubation, with peaks prominent early as deficiency becomes severe. Altered limb and beak development, dwarfism and clubbing of down are defects expressed by embryo.
Niacin Embryo readily synthesizes sufficient niacin from tryptophan. Various bone and beak malformations occur when certain antagonists are administered during incubation. Biotin High death rate at 19 days to 21 days of incubation, parrot beak, chondrodystrophy, several skeletal deformities and webbing between the toes. Perosis.
Pantothenic acid Deaths appear around 14 days of incubation, although marginal levels may delay problems until emergence. Variable subcutaneous hemorrhaging and edema; wirey down in poults.
Pyridoxine Early embryonic mortality based on antivitamin use. Folic acid Mortality at about 20 days of incubation. The dead generally appear normal, but many have bent tibiotarsus (long leg bone), syndactyly (fused toes) and beak malformations. In poults, mortality at 26 days to 28 days of incubation with abnormalities of extremities and circulatory system.
Vitamin B12 Mortality at about 20 days of incubation, with atrophy of legs, edema, hemorrhaging, fatty organs, and head between thighs malposition.
Manganese Deaths peak prior to emergence. Chondrodystrophy, dwarfism, long bone shortening, head malformations, edema, and abnormal feathering are prominent. Perosis.
Zinc Deaths prior to emergence, and the appearance of rumplessness, depletion of vertebral column, eyes underdeveloped and limbs missing.
Iodine Prolongation of hatching time, reduced thyroid size, and incomplete abdominal closure. Iron Low hematocrit; low blood hemoglobin; poor extra-embryonic circulation in candled eggs.

Source / Reference: http://gallus.tamu.edu/Extension publications/b6092.pdf
 
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Sorry it's just thrown together like that! Doug:


Vitamin B12 Mortality at about 20 days of incubation, with atrophy of legs, edema, hemorrhaging, fatty organs, and head between thighs malposition.
Manganese Deaths peak prior to emergence. Chondrodystrophy, dwarfism, long bone shortening, head malformations, edema, and abnormal feathering are prominent. Perosis.
Zinc Deaths prior to emergence, and the appearance of rumplessness, depletion of vertebral column, eyes underdeveloped and limbs missing.
Iodine Prolongation of hatching time, reduced thyroid size, and incomplete abdominal closure. Iron Low hematocrit; low blood hemoglobin; poor extra-embryonic circulation in candled eggs.

Sally, note the "head between thighs malposition?? I had 2 of those...
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It's 22:23 here, so I think it's time I say g'nite. And I will see you all tomorrow
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Doug I would like to see some images of your eggtopsy's next time, I have a feelings your dealing with a combo of issues. your not getting mold growing in your bators along with along with all this are you?
 
This chick hatched today and can't get off her bum, she is in a sitting position. Can't find info regarding this problem, all help appreciated. She hatched 1 day early if that's any help.



 
Toast and Jelly, I had one like that and I did the bandaid thing for 3 days and chick has been fine ever since. Pulling and keeping the legs in seemed to help the chick's legs get stronger. At first it crawled on it's legs but eventually got to it's feet.
 
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