100 Broilers and Fermented Feed Project

[kuntrygirl]

 

 

I would like to make home made bread with healthy ingredients but not sure where to start. I better start researching.

I currently use a depression era recipe with plain flour (5#), water (5c), and yeast (6TBS) with a double rise and baked @ 350 for 30 minutes. It makes 6 loves at a time. I would love to make my own flour for it I just need to find out how to properly store the grains.

That sounds easy enough but what does double rise mean? When you say plain flour, you mean white, bleached four? What is the healthiest store bought flour on the market? or does that even exist? :/


Is making flour difficult?

All the talk of swetness-- sugar is added to everything here!!! yuk!



Many easy recipes. 

I would buy flours from the store-- like King Arthur flours. THey are a business owned by the employees.   ANd look for Bob's Red Mill-- and extensive line of organics, of MANY kinds. 

I cannot find a relly good loaf fromt he grocery store because the AMerican palate now wans, weet, and soft breads for the most part. I  do buy artisan breads from the supermarket but the ingredient list is very long, and yet I can read almost everything. ( TOok a foods course in college and did a paper on food addatives.----long time ago.) 

Ihave a simple recipe for you that uses a recipe from mother Earth, or you can make a single rise recipe using INSTANT YEAST. 
I use the latter because it saves time. We have been making homemade pizza dough using white flour and bran, but now use a low carb crust intead. See what you can find for yeast , THen work into a recipe.  LIke I waid I have many recipes that I no longer make. 

I'm betting the fresh ground grains at a level of flavor like no other. BUt you can cut your teeth on the less costly flours until then. 

OH YEA!!! I have seen Bob's Red Mill in the stores. I forgot about that.

Can you post your favorite/easiest bread and pizza dough recipe?

 

[kuntrygirl]

The only person that I found that sold goat milk wanted a million dollars per gallon. NOT!


I have only 7 rabbits left and I have not let them have babies in a couple of years, so I know that I have to start all over again. It's been too long. I can't bring myself to process them either. Someone else always had to come over to do it while I went inside and waited.


The few times I did a garden, I was happy with my yield but as you stated, it's a lot of hard work. Those weeds were screaming at me to go out and pull them. :/


I would like to raise pigs again . I raised them about 10 years ago but they kept getting out of their area and would roam down the road. At 5:00 PM when they say my truck crossing the track, they would take out running and run back home and get back in their pen. They were TOO smart for their own good. We processed all of them because I was afraid someone would hit one of them and kill themselves (the person or persons in the car). I have a deal with a guy who I cut a deal with to barter my muscovy ducks for a pig that will be at least 80 lbs. He wants ducks and I want some pig from the freezer. I'm excited about that. If I can barter every year with him and not have to raise them, then I would prefer that. He talked to me about his feeding program and it's a good feeding program.


Do you have the link to the pig farmer? I would love to read it.

My goodness goat milk is the best.. SOO delicious. 

Can't do pasteurized milk anymore. Not after having the real raw stuff. 

It is very illegal to sell it. Even as pet food here.. You can't even share a glass with a friend who comes over legally. Silly!!

Yes, very ILLEGAL to see it but I can buy it to put in the FF for my broilers. *wink wink*

 

[Arielle]

Quote: Milk is not a required food. I talked to my pediatrition from UMass, and he agreed with me that I don't have to give milk to my kids but do give them vit D3. So don't feel compelled to drink milk. A few cow dairies can sell unpasturized milk but it is regulated.

My weeds grew higher than my plants!!! SOmething in the horse hay-- horses used that paddock the winter before.

I did pigs once. ANd toyed with it a year ago. I'm not set up to deal with pigs at this point. THe blog is here. Sugar mtn farm dot com. LEt me know if you cant find it. He is devleopinghis own line of hogs to live off the forage-- the commercial beasts are not suitable for eatingforages and he has selected for years to develop good hogs for his purpose.

Love that you are bartering for pork. Good for you!!

I looked at my muscovies. Still need to do in a few. yum. MOstly hens wintered over though-- I see eggs in their future.

 

[Coralietg]

Yep. You got it. Gotreaux farm is right. They have tours out there and you can see first hand how they raise the Tilapia. They are set up at the farmer's market on Saturdays. If you want Tilapia, just call them in the week and place your order and let them know you will pick it up on Saturday. They have it all packed up with your name on it. I go about once ever month or 2.

Milk stalls? What kinda milk? Who sells milk?

Hill Crest Creamery, regular old cow milk

It is amazing. At $10 a gallon, we try to ration through 2-3 gallons a month though. I have a milkaholic partner, and two girls who drink a bit of milk.

I will have a look at Gotreauxs stall next time we are down there. I would love to have tilapia again.

 

[aoxa]

Hill Crest Creamery, regular old cow milk

It is amazing. At $10 a gallon, we try to ration through 2-3 gallons a month though. I have a milkaholic partner, and two girls who drink a bit of milk.

I will have a look at Gotreauxs stall next time we are down there. I would love to have tilapia again.

My 4 goats + 1 alpaca eat 2 bales of hay a week @ $3 a bale (organic) = $6 a week to feed 5 of them. I get (or did get before one has dried up) 1 litre a day. We got both of them after their kids were weaned, so they weren't producing all that much, but enough for a family of two for sure. Alice and Tabitha are pregnant. I am still getting a bit of milk from Tabitha, but I have to let her dry up now that she is pregnant.

It's cheaper to raise them and milk them yourself, but they are a pain in the butt during the summer sharing the pasture with the chickens.

 

[foreverlearning]

Quote: That sounds easy enough but what does double rise mean? When you say plain flour, you mean white, bleached four? What is the healthiest store bought flour on the market? or does that even exist?

Is making flour difficult?

After everything is mixed. let it rise. Then kneed it, put it in the pans and let it rise again. When it rises again you can bake it. The double rise makes a softer bread and a single rise makes a denser bread for the yeast I have. I do use white bleached flour when I have to buy it from the store, however I have started ordering some of the other flours from nuts.com. They have just about any kind you could want and many in organic. My Christmas present was a kitchen aid mixer with attachments and I have a coffee grinder so making it wouldn't be hard. If you decide to make your own flour remember that wheat dust is flammable so it has to be done in a well ventilated area without flames. My next two to try are tapioca flour and quinoa flour.

 

[foreverlearning]

The bread is a lot sweeter over here, it's weird. I went through a long period of time of mourning bread and so many other foods, lol. It has been hardest raising two kids over here, because I get very upset with how much awful additives are allowed in foods.

I am a good cook, but a terrible baker and I can't grow anything to save my life. I need to get better at that.

A lot of stores are picking up on Mexican and British foods and they are not as sweet. I like to go to Big Lots, they have a lot of the lesser sweet items at great prices.

 

[kuntrygirl]

 

Ask  at the feed store? Let them know you are looking for someone that raises milk goats. Don't tell them why necessarily, as selling goats milk is often illegal-- "buy it for the chooks". Easier than keeping a goat at this point as you work full time and you have your hands full with 1000 broilers!! 


I have one meat rabbit but still cannot bring myself to kill it. sigh. 


I admire your effort to eat truely healthy food. We put in a garden last year in one of the horse paddocks ( fenced) and enjoyed some good eats, but boy they take a lot of tending. I fell down on that score. So I hear you. I will try agin this year as I want to increase the vegies we eat and have extras to feed more of the animals. I realized this year that all the grain that I feed the chickens and horses needs rethinking-- grains are very limited on the vitamins-- mostly calories and protein. Led me to look at vegies and grasses and legumes and more. . . for the animals and for us. 


Moslty trying to move aways from the grains a bit. 


THe orgainic pig farmer in VT proved to em that the commercial methods of raising hogs on corn etc is not necessary. He is a well spoken advocate for small farmers. He's a gem. Maintains a daily blog, and sure got me to rethink all the info I learned in college on commercial production. 

The only person that I found that sold goat milk wanted a million dollars per gallon. NOT!


I have only 7 rabbits left and I have not let them have babies in a couple of years, so I know that I have to start all over again. It's been too long. I can't bring myself to process them either. Someone else always had to come over to do it while I went inside and waited.


The few times I did a garden, I was happy with my yield but as you stated, it's a lot of hard work. Those weeds were screaming at me to go out and pull them. :/


I would like to raise pigs again . I raised them about 10 years ago but they kept getting out of their area and would roam down the road. At 5:00 PM when they say my truck crossing the track, they would take out running and run back home and get back in their pen. They were TOO smart for their own good. We processed all of them because I was afraid someone would hit one of them and kill themselves (the person or persons in the car). I have a deal with a guy who I cut a deal with to barter my muscovy ducks for a pig that will be at least 80 lbs. He wants ducks and I want some pig from the freezer. I'm excited about that. If I can barter every year with him and not have to raise them, then I would prefer that. He talked to me about his feeding program and it's a good feeding program.


Do you have the link to the pig farmer? I would love to read it.

Milk is not a required food. I talked to my pediatrition from UMass, and he agreed with me that I don't have to give milk to my kids but do give them vit D3. So don't feel compelled to drink milk. A few cow dairies can sell unpasturized milk but it is regulated. 

My weeds grew higher than my plants!!! SOmething in the horse hay-- horses used that paddock the winter before. 

I did pigs once. ANd toyed with it a year ago. I'm not set up to deal with pigs at this point.  THe blog is here. Sugar mtn farm dot com.  LEt me know if you cant find it. He is devleopinghis own line of hogs to live off the forage-- the commercial beasts are not suitable for eatingforages and he has selected for years to develop good hogs for his purpose.

Love that you are bartering for pork. Good for you!! 

I looked at my muscovies. Still need to do in a few. yum. MOstly hens wintered over though-- I see eggs in their future. 

I'm like a kid and I love granola and fruit and nuts with milk.

Roasted duck is so delish.

 

[kuntrygirl]

Yep. You got it. Gotreaux farm is right. They have tours out there and you can see first hand how they raise the Tilapia. They are set up at the farmer's market on Saturdays. If you want Tilapia, just call them in the week and place your order and let them know you will pick it up on Saturday. They have it all packed up with your name on it. I go about once ever month or 2.


Milk stalls? What kinda milk? Who sells milk?

Hill Crest Creamery, regular old cow milk   It is amazing. At $10 a gallon, we try to ration through 2-3 gallons a month though. I have a milkaholic partner, and two girls who drink a bit of milk.

I will have a look at Gotreauxs stall next time we are down there. I would love to have tilapia again.

$10.00 a GALLON !!!!!!!!!

 

[kuntrygirl]

 

Hill Crest Creamery, regular old cow milk   It is amazing. At $10 a gallon, we try to ration through 2-3 gallons a month though. I have a milkaholic partner, and two girls who drink a bit of milk.

I will have a look at Gotreauxs stall next time we are down there. I would love to have tilapia again.

My 4 goats + 1 alpaca eat 2 bales of hay a week @ $3 a bale (organic) = $6 a week to feed 5 of them. I get (or did get before one has dried up) 1 litre a day. We got both of them after their kids were weaned, so they weren't producing all that much, but enough for a family of two for sure. Alice and Tabitha are pregnant. I am still getting a bit of milk from Tabitha, but I have to let her dry up now that she is pregnant. 

It's cheaper to raise them and milk them yourself, but they are a pain in the butt during the summer sharing the pasture with the chickens. 

$3.00 a bale organic???? WOW!! Great price! What makes the hay organic? No pesticides and chemicals in the field?

Do you have a milk stand? I wonder if I could milk my ewes when they are pregnant? Anyone tried drinking sheep milk before? I wonder what it tastes like.