5 to 7 year old bantam La Fleche hen with respiratory symptoms

[rbc-bow-chicka]

There's other videos if you look them up on youtube, but I would see about working on the eyes. The video shows a basic concept of pus.

Oh my goodness. Thank you for sharing this. It has been a loonnng while since I have watched this procedure. I cannot imagine being so calm and matter of fact about the whole process. I will look for more videos after coffee.

 

[rbc-bow-chicka]

There's other videos if you look them up on youtube, but I would see about working on the eyes.

Is there a bad odor from the mucous or about the head?

Hi again.

So the bad odor has developed. I have been bathing her eyes with warm saline, applying the terramycin and returned to the oxytet alone. There is no pus mass in either eye, just bubbles and some mucus around one nare. She absolutely refused to have anything to do with the oxytet/denagard.... so that was not working because she would not take it (despite being held and droppered) and I was not 100% convinced of coryza so stopped the sulamet... as after 4 days of that there was no improvement either. I am not sure what else I can do.

 

[Wyorp Rock]

If you have updated photos that would be good.

O.k. so now there is a bad odor - is it from inside the beak and do you see any signs of yellow pasty whitish material inside the beak or is it coming from the head (outside) from eye discharge/mucous, etc.

Bad odor is foul and rotten smelling or is it yeasty smelling like ferment/sour crop?

And, how long total has she had the oxytet, I know you added in the Denagard, but you continued with oxytet this whole time right? ANY improvement with the Oxytet at all?

Any improvement at all with the sulfa drug?

Yes, I've seen folks report the Denagard is not palatable, a lot of people sweeten it with juice or karo syrup which seems to make a difference.

 

[rbc-bow-chicka]

If you have updated photos that would be good.

O.k. so now there is a bad odor - is it from inside the beak and do you see any signs of yellow pasty whitish material inside the beak or is it coming from the head (outside) from eye discharge/mucous, etc.

Bad odor is foul and rotten smelling or is it yeasty smelling like ferment/sour crop?

And, how long total has she had the oxytet, I know you added in the Denagard, but you continued with oxytet this whole time right? ANY improvement with the Oxytet at all?

Any improvement at all with the sulfa drug?

Yes, I've seen folks report the Denagard is not palatable, a lot of people sweeten it with juice or karo syrup which seems to make a difference.

We are going out for the majority of the day, so I will not get hands on her until later for pics or sniffing but here is what I have for you now.

The smell is a rotten one, versus a ferment-y/yeasty crop. I have not seen anything in her beak when I've been droppering. I have *not* seen all the way in the back or the roof of her mouth. Will do that later. It seems to be coming from about her eye and or nares as that is where I see mucus at times. That said, she sits with her head tucked back and her neck feathers are 'soaked' with dried eye.... 'stuff' .... and that does NOT smell because I gave that a sniff yesterday when I had her out. So I will really get in there and figure the origin when I have hands on her today.

Yesterday.... was the first noticeable uptick in physical activity. Overnight, she had knocked over the eggs I offer daily. Then a couple of hours after her eye cleaning/droppering of med water she spilled the crumble i had replaced the egg with. I uncover her cage completely to get light in there. She has had periods where she looks quite 'normal.' It looks like she is looking for something to eat. I know she can see at least some as she tries to get away from me. She has been opening her eyes during droppering the past 2 days and she hasn't done that before. I have a rubberband on her waterer and it seems that the level is going down outside of what I am droppering into her... so it seems she is drinking on her own.

I will have to look back and see how long i had her on the oxytet total. I cannot say that there has been an improvement or not with it. I remember thinking that I had expected an improvement after a few days which is why I added the denagard. To the denagard, I added some honey and/or nutridrench. I wonder if I should have just out it in straight juice instead of water. I did look back at my notes and there was a brief (one time, the first day) minute of eating and moving around a bit after the sulamet, then nothing the next few days.

It seems for now that the 'aggressive eye cleaning' (warm water and epsom salts) and the terrimycin have had the most impact?

 

[rbc-bow-chicka]

If you have updated photos that would be good.

O.k. so now there is a bad odor - is it from inside the beak and do you see any signs of yellow pasty whitish material inside the beak or is it coming from the head (outside) from eye discharge/mucous, etc.

Bad odor is foul and rotten smelling or is it yeasty smelling like ferment/sour crop?

And, how long total has she had the oxytet, I know you added in the Denagard, but you continued with oxytet this whole time right? ANY improvement with the Oxytet at all?

Any improvement at all with the sulfa drug?

Yes, I've seen folks report the Denagard is not palatable, a lot of people sweeten it with juice or karo syrup which seems to make a difference.

We are going out for the majority of the day, so I will not get hands on her until later for pics or sniffing but here is what I have for you now.

The smell is a rotten one, versus a ferment-y/yeasty crop. I have not seen anything in her beak when I've been droppering. I have *not* seen all the way in the back or the roof of her mouth. Will do that later. It seems to be coming from about her eye and or nares as that is where I see mucus at times. That said, she sits with her head tucked back and her neck feathers are 'soaked' with dried eye.... 'stuff' .... and that does NOT smell because I gave that a sniff yesterday when I had her out. So I will really get in there and figure the origin when I have hands on her today.

Yesterday.... was the first noticeable uptick in physical activity. Overnight, she had knocked over the eggs I offer daily. Then a couple of hours after her eye cleaning/droppering of med water she spilled the crumble i had replaced the egg with. I uncover her cage completely to get light in there. She has had periods where she looks quite 'normal.' It looks like she is looking for something to eat. I know she can see at least some as she tries to get away from me. She has been opening her eyes during droppering the past 2 days and she hasn't done that before. I have a rubberband on her waterer and it seems that the level is going down outside of what I am droppering into her... so it seems she is drinking on her own.

I will have to look back and see how long i had her on the oxytet total. I cannot say that there has been an improvement or not with it. I remember thinking that I had expected an improvement after a few days which is why I added the denagard. To the denagard, I added some honey and/or nutridrench. I wonder if I should have just out it in straight juice instead of water. I did look back at my notes and there was a brief (one time, the first day) minute of eating and moving around a bit after the sulamet, then nothing the next few days.

It seems for now that the 'aggressive eye cleaning' (warm water and epsom salts) and the terrimycin have had the most impact?

Ok... oxytet was started on March 9.

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I am attaching current pictures.

The smell is emanating from her entire face and head... thus presumably her mouth.

No lesions or anything of note in her mouth. The roof of her mouth *could be a little yellowish*... but I have not done whole lot of looking in chickens' mouths honestly. I've seen what I believed was canker last spring... different coop.

She looks worse today... I hope it wasn't because i was gone all day and unable to tend to her mid day as usual.

 

[Wyorp Rock]

I'm still thinking she's got pus in her eyes that needs to be pressed out. Any infection in the ears?

So she's had the Oxy for about 2 weeks.
You thought the you had canker last year in a different coop, but did that disappear on its own? Usually if left untreated canker will worsen since it usually caused by protozoa since it just continues to "grow" unchecked.

IF what you are dealing with is Corzya, then Oxy and Denagard are not that effective. Sulfa drugs are usually given, some also add Tylan/Tylan with the Sulfa drug to help boost it. A lot of times MG and Coryza can present together.

I'd work on those eyes, rinsing well with saline, then press to see if you can get any pus out. The swellings won't go down with pus.

If you do get a better look inside the beak, I've attached a photo of what the inside of a beak should look like.
The other photos are examples of Canker. This may help you when taking a look.

https://www.backyardchickens.com/th...-and-black-under-tongue.1564422/post-26548850

 

[rbc-bow-chicka]

Canker last year this time, we eventually put the girl down after a couple of months of metronizole, ronidazole(?) and pretty much everything I could throw at her at the end. Dx'd with the last pic.

Also with the very 1st pic above, current girl has no yellow as I had thought I'd seen. What I think I saw was the choanal papillae.

When I press the eyes, i go from all directions and the swelling is soft... puffy. Yesterday, I used pink eye spray on 'stream' in an effort to really get in there. I am continuing on the eye with the cleaning and antibiotic ointment. At a min, I think the warmth feels good if nothing else even if she's pretty ticked at me.

I have powdered tylan... and I want to say a combo tylan along w another antibiotic..which is completely escaping me now. At a min, I will change to tylan + sulfa to give that a whirl. Nothing left to lose at this point. I think.

Thank you again. I am losing a little hope, but am still stubborn. Ths truly has been very helpful.

 

[Wyorp Rock]

Keep me posted on how it goes.
I know it must be frustrating, but it sounds like both of you are hanging in there.