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Me too! I'm really hoping for some pretty eggs. I need to expand my egg basket colors!I hope you get some nice lime colored eggs from the RIR by EE cross!
Marek's is the bane of my existence. I lost an entire shipment of beautiful Speckled Sussex chicks to Marek's. It has multiple forms, and once a bird becomes symptomatic it is almost always fatal (the percentage of those surviving it is fractional, and most of those birds are compromised for life). Vaccinating all birds will not eliminate it eventually, as it is carried by wild birds. Chicks must be vaccinated in the first 48 (? might be 72, I could have mis-remembered this) hours of life, the vaccine is only good for 48 hours once mixed with the diluent, and the vaccine is live vaccine, meaning vaccinated birds shed the virus for life, exposing all other birds to it. There are many schools of thought on this disease, but after consulting breeders with decades of experience I opted not to vaccinate chicks. My thought was that if there are birds who are naturally resistant and birds who are not, I will never know which are resistant if I vaccinate; if I do not, the birds that live and thrive past 6 months of age are resistant and should pass that resistance on to their offspring.
The major objection I have to it is that it doesn't actually confer immunity to the disease - it simply leaves me unable to identify an infected bird that should be removed. Fortunately, I have never encountered it, and I'm hoping that if I keep throwing rocks at those darn pigeons... keep everyone in when the starlings swarm us... and keep a calf or two in the area to chase off the Canadian geese, I won't.![]()
The vaccine you and I can purchase is not the same as what the hatcheries use, unless something changed since last time I checked on this, and it certainly may have - last time I checked I also could not buy vaccine for fewer than 1000 chicks.
Anyway, I digress.
Marek's is a herpes virus. Turkeys all have it in its mildest form, and if chickens and turkeys are kept on the same ground, the chickens pick up this mild form of the virus, and their immune systems "learn" to fight herpes viruses - usually completely asymptomatically; you never know they have become infected and developed the resistance. The vaccine available to us is the same as what the Turkeys carry. The vaccine used by the hatcheries is a triple vaccine. Vaccinated birds will shed all three forms (as I understand it anyway), which places not only any newer birds at risk, but if you show or have other flock owners visit, you can spread the virus to other birds.
I had been cautioned repeatedly not to keep turkeys with chickens, yet two local keepers who are friends of mine have had turkeys every year with their flocks with no negative consequences, and neither has lost a bird to Marek's. Yesterday I put 21 Midget White Turkey eggs in the incubator, and am hoping at least a few hatch. I don't really want great big turkeys, but these stay smaller and seem manageable to me, and if keeping them helps the flock without harming it, I'm all for it.
Immunity and resistance are different, to be sure, and for me, keeping their immune systems working and developing resistance to something so omnipresent is helpful.
I will give it a shot!! What kind of chicks are they? PM me!
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That statement had me cracking up!
Ok......so if I did brig in any other chicken eggs, and hatch them, I could vaccinate those and none of my chickens could have mareks? I KNOW my chickens don't because they have never been around it and show no signs.It is too late to vaccinate your current hatch.
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We mad 8000 posts during this Hatch a Long!
Great job everyone!
We have discussed some very controversial subjects--some that have gotten threads closed and we were all very respectful and courteous!
Hugs to all of you!
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My little OE chicks needed me last night. They woke up hungry and chirping--I had to turn the light on and let them eat!
They are going down stairs today. There is more light down there so they should be able to find the food if they need a mid night snack....
Silly chickens!![]()
When will the cute chick contest start..or are you counting the ones that say...this one has my vote? Thanks ron!
My lonely chick is still in lock down. Hopefully I see a pip tonight! Tomorrow is day 21. I hope it makes it. It has all this time, out of 4 doz. eggs..come on little one! All of the other eggs took a full week to get here. :/ The paper that was around them was all damp. But this little chick made. So far.![]()