8.5 week chocolate orpington and mystery bird

[princesszote]

Seeking gender guesses for one of my chocolate orpingtons and both gender and breed guesses for a mystery bird, both about 8.5 weeks old.

I bought 4 chicks from a local feed store in early May. They were pulled from an "English Orpington assortment" bin, but most of what was left appeared to be chocolate orpingtons. I picked 3 chocolate orpingtons and one from the bin that didn't look to be chocolate, just for a little variety. However, after getting home, it became pretty clear that this fourth chick is probably not an orpington. It was a bit bigger than the other chicks and also has 5 toes on each foot.

One of the chocolates was very obviously a roo at about 4 weeks, but the chocolate orpington I'm including here has landed somewhere in the middle of the obvious roo and obvious pullet -- it has a much pinker comb and wattles than the pullet, though not as pronounced as the roo. It has also been the slowest to develop and the most outgoing of the bunch. The second picture is my mystery bird. It's still a bit larger than the others. It has enormous legs but I haven't seen any wattle or comb development.
Would love to hear what y'all think!

Chocolate orpington:

Mystery bird:

 

[HorseGirlAbby]

For the Orpington I'm leaning pullet, but it could be a slow developing cockerel, it's a little early to say for sure.

As for the mystery bird, she's definitely a pullet, and doesn't look like any pure breed. Does she have a beard? She could be a Green Queen, with the five toes, but they're not usually blue. That's all I can think of though.

 

[princesszote]

Thank you! I don't see a beard on her.

 

[thistlewick]

In everything except the toes, your mystery bird looks exactly like my Sapphire Gems from Tractor Supply. Same everything!! But mine don't have 5 toes.

I am too new to guess at sex - way way too new. Sorry!

 

[HorseGirlAbby]

I honestly have no clue what she is. I'm thinking it might just be a defect that popped up because she has a five toed breed somewhere in her ancestry. Mystic Onyx only come in black, or that would be another possible breed.

 

[Wannabechicken]

In everything except the toes, your mystery bird looks exactly like my Sapphire Gems from Tractor Supply. Same everything!! But mine don't have 5 toes

She looks a lot like my Sapphire Gem from Hoover's, too, minus a toe.

 

[Finnie]

I think that chocolate Orpington looks like a pullet because it has rounded saddle feathers. But I have to admit that that shot isn’t the best angle for seeing the saddle feathers. If it has thin pointy saddle feathers, then it’s a male.

Can’t help you with the other one’s bred, but it is for sure a pullet.

 

[princesszote]

I think that chocolate Orpington looks like a pullet because it has rounded saddle feathers. But I have to admit that that shot isn’t the best angle for seeing the saddle feathers. If it has thin pointy saddle feathers, then it’s a male.

Can’t help you with the other one’s bred, but it is for sure a pullet.

Would saddle feathers be apparent at only 8.5 weeks? I thought those only appear after maturity.

I honestly have no clue what she is. I'm thinking it might just be a defect that popped up because she has a five toed breed somewhere in her ancestry. Mystic Onyx only come in black, or that would be another possible breed.

I definitely thought Mystic Onyx was a possibility when she was younger. She must just be a weird mix!

 

[BackyardinWales]

That mystery one is VERY pretty.

 

[HollowOfWisps]

Can we get a pic of the mystery chicks feet and body side shot so we can see its shape? It looks just like a blue Orpington and the extra toes most likely are a genetic mutation. I’m not Orpington expert, but I have had over 40 orpingtons so I have seen a few