8 weeks Old Multiple Chicks

[redinator]

That looks like a single comb, but it's wrinkled back and forth trying to stay out of the way of the crest.

Definitely an interesting effect

It looks like he jerked his head too fast as it grew in . . . oddly enough depending on his mood it makes him look either menacing or goofy, lol.

 

[Rhodebar Lover]

Oh yeah not what I was thinking at all. I thought penciling was thin lacing. Double lacing would look even more like penciling then?

So…

Pencilling is only shown in females.

Pencilling+melanotic gene=double lacing (basically makes pencilling darker)

Double lacing is shown in females and males will sometimes show some limited lacing

Pencilling +melanotic+columbian gene=laced

The Colombian gene allows the pattern to be visible in males and females.

Double lacing and pencilling look very similar, double lacing is just darker.

Double lacing is a step between lacing and pencilling.

(The Deathlayer I showed previously is pencilled from an entirely different gene called Darkbrown when based on the birchen locus, making her autosomal barred)

 

[BlindLemonChicken]

So…

Pencilling is only shown in females.

Pencilling+melanotic gene=double lacing (basically makes pencilling darker)

Double lacing is shown in females and males will sometimes show some limited lacing

Pencilling +melanotic+columbian gene=laced

The Colombian gene allows the pattern to be visible in males and females.

Double lacing and pencilling look very similar, double lacing is just darker.

Double lacing is a step between lacing and pencilling.

(The Deathlayer I showed previously is pencilled from an entirely different gene called autosomal barring)

Wow. Ok. That makes sense. Very interesting. I have never had a penciled breed but I do like the way it looks.

 

[NatJ]

...Double lacing is a step between lacing and pencilling.

(The Deathlayer I showed previously is pencilled from an entirely different gene called autosomal barring)

According to what I have read, autosomal barring is not caused by a different gene, just a slightly different combination of the same genes that are involved in the other pencilling, double lacing, barring, and also spangling.

https://sellers.kippenjungle.nl/page2.html
About 2/3 of the way down this page, there is a chart showing quite a few different patterns and which genes combine to make them. Everything in the chart has the pattern gene, but when you change the e-locus or have various combinations of Melanotic, Dark Brown, and/or Columbian, plus hen feathering for Sebrights, you get quite a few different results.

 

[redinator]

So…

Pencilling is only shown in females.

Pencilling+melanotic gene=double lacing (basically makes pencilling darker)

Double lacing is shown in females and males will sometimes show some limited lacing

Pencilling +melanotic+columbian gene=laced

The Colombian gene allows the pattern to be visible in males and females.

Double lacing and pencilling look very similar, double lacing is just darker.

Double lacing is a step between lacing and pencilling.

(The Deathlayer I showed previously is pencilled from an entirely different gene called autosomal barring)

Would this be penciling, lacing or something else?

 

[Rhodebar Lover]

According to what I have read, autosomal barring is not caused by a different gene, just a slightly different combination of the same genes that are involved in the other pencilling, double lacing, barring, and also spangling.

https://sellers.kippenjungle.nl/page2.html
About 2/3 of the way down this page, there is a chart showing quite a few different patterns and which genes combine to make them. Everything in the chart has the pattern gene, but when you change the e-locus or have various combinations of Melanotic, Dark Brown, and/or Columbian, plus hen feathering for Sebrights, you get quite a few different results.

I was just trying to give a very basic overview of how the patterns overlap. The Db gene is what gives way to autosomal barring when based on a different locus. So it is in a sense an additional gene that is added to the base genes I listed. I should clarify it’s called the Darkbrown gene however

 

[Rhodebar Lover]

View attachment 4141689 Would this be penciling, lacing or something else?

Something else. Her variety looks similar to quail which is a combination of the melatonic and columbian gene on e^b. With mixed breeds you can’t know for certain and her hackle feathers are very light.

 

[SJsChickies]

I've only had birds with pea, single and whatever this isView attachment 4141442

“What ever this is” that got me