A Fatty Liver Hemorrhagic Syndrome death

[Shadrach]

I’m assuming you didn’t see the part where this would be for only one hen with calcium issues and I acknowledged the fat content in my post. There are kinder ways to respond to people.

My apologies.
I did read your posts.
I don't really do the emotional support bit and my concern is for your hen primarily.
Direct speech is the common way here where I live. I'm not an American.

 

[klbaker75]

My apologies.
I did read your posts.
I don't really do the emotional support bit and my concern is for your hen primarily.
Direct speech is the common way here where I live. I'm not an American.

Not looking for emotional support so we're good there, but I am a bit emotional self-admittedly from what I went through yesterday and may be a bit sensitive at the moment. I still don't feel I know where I'm going though. This is an issue I've had for 20 years, regardless of if they were free range, their genetics (came from different places, etc). It all goes back to feed. The other lady on here did the no corn or soy feed and still had it but that feed is still high in other grains. I feel like I'm just screwed no matter what I do. I like the idea of adding in fermented oats in the off season or maybe adding crickets and earthworms in to reduce feed intake. I am still at a loss. There are people on here that never seem to have any issues and have perfect flocks. I thought I was doing everything right and then look what happens yet again. I'm a human nutritionist but for the life of me I cannot seem to understand how chickens work. Maybe I need to just go out on a limb and put them on low carb (bugs and insects mainly), intermittent fasting, and clean eating like I do since that is the total opposite of what I'm doing now and clearly what I'm doing isn't working. I will never understand how eating all day long nonstop and having corn as the number one ingredient can be healthy for a chicken.

 

[Wyorp Rock]

Not looking for emotional support so we're good there, but I am a bit emotional self-admittedly from what I went through yesterday and may be a bit sensitive at the moment. I still don't feel I know where I'm going though. This is an issue I've had for 20 years, regardless of if they were free range, their genetics (came from different places, etc). It all goes back to feed. The other lady on here did the no corn or soy feed and still had it but that feed is still high in other grains. I feel like I'm just screwed no matter what I do. I like the idea of adding in fermented oats in the off season or maybe adding crickets and earthworms in to reduce feed intake. I am still at a loss. There are people on here that never seem to have any issues and have perfect flocks. I thought I was doing everything right and then look what happens yet again. I'm a human nutritionist but for the life of me I cannot seem to understand how chickens work. Maybe I need to just go out on a limb and put them on low carb (bugs and insects mainly), intermittent fasting, and clean eating like I do since that is the total opposite of what I'm doing now and clearly what I'm doing isn't working. I will never understand how eating all day long nonstop and having corn as the number one ingredient can be healthy for a chicken.

I'm sorry!
Let's see if someone like @ChickenCanoe can chime in with some nutritional help.

Help me understand something. You've had chickens for 20 years and have been dealing with Fatty Liver all these years or various deaths - like reproductive disorders? On average how old were the chickens that died.

 

[klbaker75]

I'm sorry!
Let's see if someone like @ChickenCanoe can chime in with some nutritional help.

Help me understand something. You've had chickens for 20 years and have been dealing with Fatty Liver all these years or various deaths - like reproductive disorders? On average how old were the chickens that died.

I had chickens from 1998 to 2014 and then took a break and then started back up from 2017 to now. I can’t even begin to explain what happened in my previous years but I remember a lot of stuck eggs that I didn’t know were there. Some dropped down into the peritoneum and others I attempted to have removed and all resulted in death. I had hens that would lay these hot dog looking masses internally. I actually got one spayed maybe in 2009 or 2010 and she had two pounds of rotted debris in her oviduct. I had have four hens like that over the years. I lost three or four to ovarian cancer. I remember soft shelled eggs. It was to the point where I felt I had an unnamed virus in my flock that attacked the reproductive system and was ready to call it Bakers virus after myself ugh. I didn’t have oyster shell available though and know a lot of my issues were related to that as well as obesity. I have done necropsies only since maybe 2012 but I remember lots of fat.

Now this time around I have been more fortunate. Only my two production reds have had issues. One is maybe four and had some thinning eggs so I fed her more calciboost and didn’t realize the other minerals. Not sure if that damaged her or not but all her issues started three days after increasing that so I think it’s pretty obvious. The other production red is 5 and just had a few soft shelled eggs. She hasn’t so far this laying season. Then of course the hen I lost yesterday with the vertical stuck egg and fatty abdomen. My concern is after seeing her like that, that my others are going to have issues. I can only assume they are all obese. I ordered crickets and am going to start an earthworm compost. I’m going to ferment their feed some for extra nutrition and sprout some wheat. I’m going to decrease their feed from free choice all day long to just a specific amount and see how they do. Does that sound awful?

Oh and I can’t remember ages exactly but most seem to occur around age 5.

 

[micstrachan]

Not looking for emotional support so we're good there, but I am a bit emotional self-admittedly from what I went through yesterday and may be a bit sensitive at the moment. I still don't feel I know where I'm going though. This is an issue I've had for 20 years, regardless of if they were free range, their genetics (came from different places, etc). It all goes back to feed. The other lady on here did the no corn or soy feed and still had it but that feed is still high in other grains. I feel like I'm just screwed no matter what I do. I like the idea of adding in fermented oats in the off season or maybe adding crickets and earthworms in to reduce feed intake. I am still at a loss. There are people on here that never seem to have any issues and have perfect flocks. I thought I was doing everything right and then look what happens yet again. I'm a human nutritionist but for the life of me I cannot seem to understand how chickens work. Maybe I need to just go out on a limb and put them on low carb (bugs and insects mainly), intermittent fasting, and clean eating like I do since that is the total opposite of what I'm doing now and clearly what I'm doing isn't working. I will never understand how eating all day long nonstop and having corn as the number one ingredient can be healthy for a chicken.

I’m so sorry you are frustrated. I can completely relate. I am heart broken and pulling my hair out. However, we hurt because we love them. And because we live tgen, we will continue to grow and learn snd do our best. And our best will keep getting better.

 

[valerielaquidara]

I had a 1 year old EE hen die of this on Friday. She didn't even feel or seem overweight to me and I barely give them any treats. Maybe a couple once a week or twice on occasion.