A Heritage of Perfection: Standard-bred Large Fowl

[fowlman01]

I have seen Marans at Shawnee OK in person and I stick with my initial statement. A Marans has never won in quality competition in the Continental Class anywhere.

Walt

 

[ramirezframing]

Does anyone know of a breeder of lakenvelders? Thanks for any help.

 

[gjensen]

Does anyone know of a breeder of lakenvelders? Thanks for any help.

I do not, but like the look of the breed.

Didn't Laura get some? Maybe she would know.

 

[ramirezframing]

She doesn't have them anymore.

 

[Yellow House Farm]

She doesn't have them anymore.

Lakenvelders are going to be a BIG project.

If I were going to do it:

I'd call Urch right away and get what I could.

Then, I'd get the largest order of cockerels from Ideal that I had room to raise--and I'd hope for one good one.

Then I'd start hatching and culling and expect to see some good progress in 3 to 5 years if I were hatching in number.

 

[Yellow House Farm]

On the Marans front, if "quality competition" means that there were lots of Marans on display and among the Marans there was competition, that would make sense.

However, to Walt's point, if "quality" competition means that the Continental class has "quality competition" meaning several breeds are represented, including the core Continental breeds, that's a whole different story.

There's not a Marans alive that could out-class a top quality Salmon Faverolles, Silver Spangled Hamburg, or WC Black Polish, and it will take a very long time of Marans breeders working on their two colors with a high level of discipline to do so. It's nothing against Marans, of course; it's just the way it is. Those three are the "unstoppables" of the Continental Class. If they show up, all others are just having fun for the day.

Marans aren't alone, though. Every class has its royalty.

American: White and, maybe, Barred Rocks; White and, maybe SL Wyandottes; RIRs; NHs, and (thanks to Mike Stichler) Dominiques: no other Americans can touch these varieties when they're good

Mediterranean: White and Brown Leghorns, and, maybe, Black Minorcas.

English: Buff Orpingtons and Australorps

Asiatic: Buff and Black Cochin, Light Brahma

Continental: Silver Spangled Hamburgs, WC Black Polish, Salmon Faverolles

AOSB: Black Ameraucana, sometimes a Shamo, sometimes an Aseel.


Walt, did I leave anything out?

Edited to add: Black Langshan

 

[fowlman01]

You got it correct Joseph. In the west coast the AOSB CLASS is won more by the Orientals (Shamo and Aseel and occasionally Sumatra). The winner of the American and AOSB class are usually the contenders for champion large fowl.

Walt.

 

[3riverschick]

Pics of winning Marans : Best and Reserve Continental

January 5, 2013
Brazos Valley Poultry Club....Bluebonnet Classic
College Station, Texas
http://tinyurl.com/nmhltlt
Best of Continental, BOB, BV Black Copper Pullet owned by Ernie Haire
Reserve of Continental, ROB, BV Wheaten Hen owned by Beverly Robertson
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March 9, 2013
West Central Ohio Poultry Show
http://tinyurl.com/ovyjrdf
Open Show...35 Marans shown
Best of Continental, BOB, BOV Wheaten Cock owned by Becky Berger
Reserve of Continental, ROB, BOV Black Copper Cock owned by Nicol Perry
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BCM Pullet Shawnee
Best of Variety
Best of Breed
Best Continental
Shawnee 2011
http://marans2xl.com/awards.html
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Best Continenral at Shawnee, OK
http://www.poultryshowcentral.com/tx-marans.html
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Multiple pics of Best and Reserve Continetal.
http://tinyurl.com/kt58mb3
( Click on the icon for "2014 Show Pics" for another page of pics.)
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Re: 2014 Bluebonnet Classic...Brazos Valley Poultry Club Show Results
(click on above link for review of show)
January 05, 2014, 07:04:13 pm »
Res. Ch. Large Fowl, Best Continental, BB, BV Wheaten Pullet owned by Ernie Haire
Reserve Continental, RB, BV Black Copper Pullet owned by Sandy Siegfried
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2013 show results
http://maranschickenclubusa.com/Latestshowresults.html
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My favorite??
This bird:
December 14, 2013
OKLAHOMA POULTRY FEDERATION.....Shawnee, OK
Marans National and White Variety Qualifying Meet
Judge: Steve Jones
179 Marans shown 13 Exhibitors 13 Varieties
http://tinyurl.com/kt58mb3 ; scroll down to:
Best of Continental, BB, BV Wheaten Pullet
Now that's a stunning Marans!
Notice how many are Ernie ( 2XL) and Bev(Marans Unlimited) Both of TX.
April Howington ( TexasMarans.com) and Peggy Taylor ( http://tinyurl.com/lec5lur )
two other winning breeders, of TX. Ernie, Bev and Peggy, I call the Texas Triumvirate .
They are a force to be reckoned with in Marans. April has lately joined the group
in the last 2 years.
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Here's the pic I was looking for :
2nd annual Big Bird Classic was held March 19th 2011 in Pine Bluff Arkansas
and hosted by Ann Charles. APA Judge Pat Malone judged
http://tinyurl.com/lr6brnf
The BB BCM hen pictured at the top of the page is Peggy Taylor's "Hope" ,
Nigh unbeatable by other Marans during her show career. Oh yeah, and those
are my hen's eggs winning 1st place in Salmon Marans further down the page.
Best,
Karen

 

[Vamvakas]

Lakenvelders are going to be a BIG project.

If I were going to do it:

I'd call Urch right away and get what I could.

Then, I'd get the largest order of cockerels from Ideal that I had room to raise--and I'd hope for one good one.

Then I'd start hatching and culling and expect to see some good progress in 3 to 5 years if I were hatching in number.

Urch is done with chicks this year, check back next January at the earliest.. He might get a pair or trio adults from him this summer/fall but like you said call him.

 

[ramirezframing]

The above is my best cock (he was a cockerel in these pictures), he is not from a hatchery. I do have one hen who came from this line as well but don't have a picture of her.


The 3 hens below are from a hatchery, I am in the process of crossing these now, having been told to do so by 2 breeder friends.







I am fine with years of work, as it has taken me a few years to even get the birds I have now.I ended up with the non hatchery pair on plain luck of a close friend. I am looking for birds who are as good as that cock or hopefully better, does anyone know what Urch's bird are like for lakenvelders? I haven't been able to find pictures of them.

My 8 yr old son has decided he would like to try showing this coming fall and has chosen to show my lakenvelders. This is why I need help from people who know how to do this right, so I can in turn teach my son how to do it right. He is raising all the chicks and messing with them, and will help with the culling process so he learns the why for keeping and the why for not keeping.

Thanks for any help.