Advice on Firearms

Hey DrakeMaiden,

I lived in WA state a year ago and read a lot of their laws about homicides. And just as a note, any killing of a human being is a homicide while an illegal homicide is often called a murder. There is such a thing as "justifiable homicide."

First things first: Safety

You've got to be safe. If you don't have much experience with a gun, try and go to a class that teaches it. They are in the area, your local gun range or sheriff's office may be able to point you to one. Storage is important if you've got kids around (you said you don't have that). Developing good habits early will reduce the chance for a negligent discharge.

So, when is it legal to shoot someone?

Chapter 9.41 in the Revised Code of Washington talks a lot about dangerous weapons (firearms) and some regulations on them.

Here's an excerpt:

RCW 9A.16.050
Homicide — By other person — When justifiable.


Homicide is also justifiable when committed either:

(1) In the lawful defense of the slayer, or his or her husband, wife, parent, child, brother, or sister, or of any other person in his presence or company, when there is reasonable ground to apprehend a design on the part of the person slain to commit a felony or to do some great personal injury to the slayer or to any such person, and there is imminent danger of such design being accomplished; or

(2) In the actual resistance of an attempt to commit a felony upon the slayer, in his presence, or upon or in a dwelling, or other place of abode, in which he is.



Here's another bit:

RCW 9A.16.020
Use of force — When lawful.


The use, attempt, or offer to use force upon or toward the person of another is not unlawful in the following cases:

(1) Whenever necessarily used by a public officer in the performance of a legal duty, or a person assisting the officer and acting under the officer's direction;

(2) Whenever necessarily used by a person arresting one who has committed a felony and delivering him or her to a public officer competent to receive him or her into custody;

(3) Whenever used by a party about to be injured, or by another lawfully aiding him or her, in preventing or attempting to prevent an offense against his or her person, or a malicious trespass, or other malicious interference with real or personal property lawfully in his or her possession, in case the force is not more than is necessary;

(4) Whenever reasonably used by a person to detain someone who enters or remains unlawfully in a building or on real property lawfully in the possession of such person, so long as such detention is reasonable in duration and manner to investigate the reason for the detained person's presence on the premises, and so long as the premises in question did not reasonably appear to be intended to be open to members of the public;

(5) Whenever used by a carrier of passengers or the carrier's authorized agent or servant, or other person assisting them at their request in expelling from a carriage, railway car, vessel, or other vehicle, a passenger who refuses to obey a lawful and reasonable regulation prescribed for the conduct of passengers, if such vehicle has first been stopped and the force used is not more than is necessary to expel the offender with reasonable regard to the offender's personal safety;

(6) Whenever used by any person to prevent a mentally ill, mentally incompetent, or mentally disabled person from committing an act dangerous to any person, or in enforcing necessary restraint for the protection or restoration to health of the person, during such period only as is necessary to obtain legal authority for the restraint or custody of the person.


There's a lot of law on this, and if you are in a situation, it is important to know whether or not the law will protect you.

More importantly though, is how comfortable is an individual with it. That's a question you have to ask yourself.

And if you do decide to get one, training is very important! You'd be surprised how hard it is to shoot a gun accurately and fast, and how bad it gets when you are nervous, much less in fear for your life.

I also second reading the book my Massad Ayoob.

Hopefully that is helpful for you. If you are interested in the concealed carry permit for WA state, I can tell you about that too.

Note that you can only carry a gun in your place of residence or business, but if you step out into the street with it concealed on your person, that is illegal. If you want to carry out and about in your daily life, you MUST get a permit to do so (they are not hard to get).

ETA: For a handgun in WA state, there is a 5 business day wait. For long arms, I do not believe there is a wait. Not sure though since I never bought a long arm in WA.
 
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Erin -- thank you for the recommendation on the best size of gun, for your own perpective, and for bringing up the concealment issue. I just assumed if I had it in a vehicle, I'd want the permit.

Royicus -- thank you for the pertinent laws. I think my biggest question right now is about trespassers on private property and what would constitute a felony exactly. I think that if I felt threatened away from home, the line in the sand would be more distinct. I'm thinking I would apply for the concealed weapon permit too, because I wouldn't feel comfortable leaving it behind somewhere (ie at home when I'm not home). You say that is easy enough?
 
I live in the socialist republic of NJ (a DemocRAT state) where it is very difficult for most law abiding folks to buy guns and imposible to cary them. the only people who can are cops and criminals. anyway..... hand guns are a terrible choice for most self defence situations, fear will make you shake and cause you to miss. most folks these days have never had to react under fire. as someone earlier mentioned if you miss, that bullet still hits something somewhere up to 2 miles away. Shot guns however make a great self defence choice. while you still have to aim it's not a critical. and they don't go nearly as far. my choice is a 12ga stoger coachgun 20inch double barrel shotgun with 3inch steal BB's. ranch is about 40yrds, will go through a door, and cover a paper plate at 5yrds. hope this helps. good luck, hope you never need it

Jim
 
Trespassers generally folks should try to refrain from shooting. Keep in mind that if you ever shoot a person, be ready for a potential criminal and civil court battle. Those can financially drain a person, as well as take a toll on your quality of life, and that's if you are found innocent!

I really recommend going to a class. If you don't feel comfortable, get a friend to go with you! You'll learn a lot more then what you'll get in posts here. Good luck and be safe!
 
I wouldn't shoot a trespasser unless I really had to. I think I'd prefer to hide.
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Good info from all of you.

I agree, Jim, I would certainly have the shaky hands!
 
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In tennessee you have to go to a class to get a permit.You need someone that knows guns to go with you to buy one and take lessons from a professional on how to clean and shoot. My first gun was a small 22 pistol that I could carry in my purse, but I had to learn how to clean and load before i could begin to learn to shoot at a target. a dirty gun WILL kill you. marrie
 
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Excellent points. That is why I have a 410 shotgun for protection. The rounds I have contain 5 40 caliber BBs. It is easy to load, you don't have to have good aim and it will stop anything in its tracks. A 22 might stun someone but it certainly won't lay them out.
 
I have never been scared of guns but was brought up to know that being foolish with a firearm was dangerous and deadly. I too started out with my Grandpa's little .22 short pistol that was so old it didn't shoot straight, but it was not intimidating. I went through the .22's and shotguns for squirrel and dove hunting, but slowly moved to a bigger and bigger gun. Now my two favorites are my Ruger Super Redhawk .480 with an adjustable Nikon scope for hunting and my new Taurus "The Judge" pistol that shoots .45 LC AND .410 shotgun shells. The latter is my house gun and the it contains .410 6 shot shells and .45 JHP bullets. I LOVE THIS GUN! It is heavy, not small, and kicks worse than the .480 or the .44 magnum, but is great on rats and turtles. Here in MS there used go be a 3 day wait on handguns, but I don't think there is anymore and no wait on long guns. My husband bought me my last two guns and I can't remember that he had to wait for them. The conceal carry permit is not hardto obtain, it just takes FOREVER for all the background checks and all that to get cleared. But being a nurse, I have to go through background checks everytime I get a job. Thank God they don't hold speeding tickets against you !! LOL!!!!
 
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Thank goodness I dont live in NJ!! I can go into any Walmart and buy one after the federal NICS check is ran. Handgun or long gun, no seperate permit. However, a handgun would be worthless for me in IL for protection other than at home, as there is no concealed carry here.
 
I have been thinking of getting my FID card again and getting a permit to carry a concealed weapon as well.
We live in a city and although our neighborhood is currently nice and quiet; the crime rate is steadily growing as the economy weakens. We dont have anything "fancy" by any means. But desperate, stupid and people on crack that need more crack.. do stupid things. I want to protect me and mine.

I have EXTENSIVE training in handing firearms. But I know my husband is nervous about it, especially since we have a child now. But I also want her to have the training and knowledge as she grows up. I need her to know how to protect herself in any and ALL situations coming.
 

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