Afraid of Tieing horses

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I currently have a gorgeous 2-year-old who flipped out while tied to an 8x8 that was cemented 4' in the ground. She set back so hard that she pulled that post all the way out of the ground. The halter then broke and she flipped over backwards. Cured herself of setting back. HOWEVER, we spent 2 days at the vet college having her diagnosed for a condition that began developing after that little crisis. The x-rays show that the growth plate in one canon bone fused prematurely while the cannon in the other leg continued to grow. One foreleg is now 1 1/2 inches longer than the other. The doctors say that cannon will likely continue to grow for another 6-8 months and she will probably have a leg that is 2-2 1/2 inches longer. To repair this, she will have to have surgery sometime in her 3-year-old year. They will cut the short canon like this:

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and then use a plate and screws to lengthen it the required 2-2 1/2 inches. She will have to be stalled for months and have repeat visits to the clinic for repeat x-rays to make sure all is healing well. Eventually the plate will be removed. All of this will likely cost upwards of $20,000 and if it doesn't heal properly, I may be faced with an awful decision.



I find that I do not tie anymore. I am slowly teaching everyone in the barn to ground-tie. That's what the old-time cowboys used to do.


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I would not be afraid to tie a horse, but always cautious.

Don't tie to something that isn't secure, like if a truck hitting it would cause it to fall down skip it. Only give a foot to foot and a half of rope and tie with a quick release knot at least around the height of the horses withers. If your horse is spooky or pulls, don't tie on cement or another potentially slick surface. Use a well fitted halter and a lead with a heavy snap. Say 'Whoa' calmly if the horse starts to pull or lean back. Don't release every time you see them starting to lean or pull, that's just teaching them they will get free if they use enough pressure. If the do break loose and fall or break a snap. Calmly recollect them and re-tie, then look over for any injuries. I used to have a fat old mare at work that would on occasion launch herself from the washrack (while cross tied) sometimes the snaps would give, once she rolled half way down the aisle, I just went about my business and finished her bath, she finally stopped doing it. Mostly I've seen that humans are more upset from these types of accidents than the horses are.

On horses I use a one loop quick release, I've seen a lot of people use two loops. I can get mine loose from a panicked horse easily if I absolutely have to, only problem is sometimes they fall out too easily on good horses
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Good luck on overcoming your fear.
 
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Me too. 'Cept, I also DO try to make sure they're all ALSO trained to stand tied well, because you never know when someone ELSE will try tying them and you don't want 'em getting all freaky about it. This is especially true if your horse lives at a boarding barn, but even with mine at home I still try to remind them periodically about tying, just in case.

I have not found it terribly difficult to teach horses to stand without tying, frankly it is more a matter of just *doing it* in the course of their daily handling than actually having to workworkwork at it.

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A lot of the "old-time" horse people around me don't use breakaway halters, ropes, etc and I find myself agreeing with their methods. While the breakaways CAN be useful in some situation, as soon as a horse realizes it can get away, it will use that again and it can cause a lot of real issues in the future. We've always used secure posts and strong halters and we've never had a problem, even if they freak out. Once they realize "hey, I'm not going anywhere" they calm down pretty fast. Granted, we don't do "scary" things while they are tied. I usually do stuff like that in hand. There's always the chance a horse can get injured anywhere, but I've seen more injuries (and deadly ones at that) when a horse freaks out and pulls away from where it is tied (whether its that the leadrope breaks, halter breaks, or the post breaks) than when a horse is securely tied and freaks out.

I think you might be able to feel a bit better about tying if you just practice it. My dad and I have been doing this because we trail ride a lot and it is very important that our horses have patience and tie well. So we'll grab a horse, put on a halter, and tie them up while we go about barn or yard duties. Sometimes they have hay, sometimes they don't. This has really been a great tool for us because when we go out we feel confident about tying our horses and expect them to behave even if it's for an extended period of time. It also teaches patience (granted, we aren't just tying them up for hours and hours. That would be cruel! Although, sometimes it is necessary if we are out on a trail and something comes up.) This patience transfers into a lot of other things we expect the horse to do, like standing while mounting, or just standing in one spot while we are already mounted. Also, the confidence we get from having a horse that is able to do these things reflects in the horse's behavior as well.
 
Rusty - Sorry for your troubles.. Geeeze.. but that sure does sound the way to go...
Celtic - I've seen a friends mare at a show manage to throw her leg up over the rope and freak out in that position... it was one of those T-bar type tying stands and I was able to just give it a tug... but then she was just 13 hands and pretty lightweight... maybe the pounds put against it or the angle make a difference? I didnt tie the knot though LOL
 
its in no way irrational to worry about a horse pulling that stunt. in your case I would work very hard on ground manners and ground tying and standing when tied. my old gelding gets bored standing tied to a trailer, and at his weight and size no kind of halter could hold him if he really wanted to set back. however consistent work on ground tying helped.

great big help when teaching to stand tied (after learning ground manners and ground tying) is having a solid wall on all three sides behind them. it gives them almost a sense of security that they dont have to run back (no scary noises or sounds behind them)
 
A breakaway halter serves a purpose if turning a horse out loose haltered and helps to prevent injuries but breakaways are more likely to cause problems when tying. A horse that pulls and falls straight back cause something gave is what is most likely to get injured. Horses have frequently been killed that way from whacking head first in to the ground. A horse that does not get loose will fall sideways, generally landing hindquarters first, if it falls and is unlikely to get seriously injured. Skinned fetlocks and hocks is really the worst we've had and that only when falling on concrete. Freak accidents are always possible with horses no matter what you do though. I know several horses that were ground tied (and well trained), stepped on their rope, tripped, and ended up injured or even dead.
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I don't know any old timers that don't tie at all. While their horses are trained to ground tie (so are mine since I never tie to something in the round pen where I usually saddle) they also are trained to tie. Usually in a forceful way by just tying them to something unbreakable and letting them freak if they are going to. If we go to really old time western most horses were also tied often by reins with a bit since most didn't haul a halter around everywhere they went on horseback, not all carried hobbles either, and you can't always trust your horse to be there when you come back out of a building or wake up from a nap. Part of a standard (not fancy show/training) western curb bit design is to prevent injury if a horse pulls back while tied with it. Unfortunately if securely tied like that instead of just looped over something odds are your bridle would break somewhere since leather does not hold up to the full forces of a horse. My mom had a few ornery horses and ponies growing up which learned that lesson and had to be hobbled or haltered because they'd pop their rein or headstall and run home.
 
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After a while, you will get a sense of this, and 'know when to hold 'em and know when to fold 'em', as the gambler would say.

There's a big difference between various kinds of riding.....and sport horses, in how each view tying out.

In general, people who attend club shows, 4h shows and in general those who ride Western, expect their horses to stand died up for hours at a time, either to the side of the trailer at a show, or on the trail or at their own stable. In general, they're dealing with horses that have been left tied for long periods of time since they were very young. The horse usually fought it out at a young age, when it was light and hopefully, less able to permanently harm or kill itself.

Just like with anti-shoeing and anti-stalling people, there are also 'pro-tying out' people and they can be -extremely- adamant.

Keep in mind that most horse people are NOT 'tying out nazis'. They'll tie a horse up, but if an adult is struggling and fighting, they'll usually try to resolve it, but if it's obvious it just isn't working with this horse, they'll make other arrangements.

But there ARE 'tying out nazis'. Just like in all horse issues, there is what my SO calls, "a spectrum of belief". In other words, some are more insistent than others!

In fact, in those 'tying out' circles, standing tied for long periods of time is viewed as absolutely not optional. It's viewed as a matter of 'dominance'(as are most training problems), and they will tell you that EVERY horse MUST learn to stand tied for long periods of time, no matter what its breed or style of riding or it is SPOILED and dominating its handler. They will ridicule anyone whose horse doesn't stand tied for long periods of time and berate the owner for 'ruining' the horse.

In fact, when a horse is sent to a trainer in these styles of riding, they will often stand tied for many hours, along the side of the trainer's arena, saddled and bridled. If they fight, if they struggle, they will be left tied up to 'figure it out', and they are tied up with equipment that is very unlikely to break. If they are injured, well, those are the breaks. I've watched horses throw themselves over backwards and sit down and fight trying to pull back. Horses have broken their necks and backs doing these tings.

In general, it is explained in far more 'politically correct' terms these days - the horse must learn 'patience' and to 'bond' with the owner, etc. In the old days, it was plain and simple - horses are tied up to show 'em who's boss and teach them to be obedient and to - well - to STAND TIED - because that is necessary for a trail horse, a show horse, etc.

On the other hand, with sport horses like show jumpers and dressage horses, you will probably find that in general, people aren't anywhere near as adamant about this. Some of this may be due to the much more active nature of the breeds and types used for these sports. It simply is more unusual to find a Thoroughbred or Warmblood that will 'give up' and stand tied for hours. They are far more active than the stock horse breeds, and simply do not have the same sort of temperament. Additionally, they're built different - longer legs, much taller, often very massive, longer neck - all risk factors for getting hurt tied up.

Even more importantly, they generally were NOT 'stood tied' for long periods of time as youngsters, when their bodies are light and most able to withstand the strain of fighting back.

In general, you will find that sport horse people will FIRE you if you insist on tying out a horse and leaving it there to fight it out. The approach is different there. The average sport horse folk would rather die than see a youngster injured by being left tied to 'figure it out'.

What you'll learn with time is that you need to 'feel out' what is going on with the individual horse, rather than beat your chest and make pronouncements that all horses SHOULD be the same and all horses SHOULD do this or SHOULD do that. This is just plain old commonsense.

Otherwise you run into things like the recent incident in which a trainer killed a horse by tying it to a tree 'to give it a bath' (there was no indication there was any bath). The horse was left tied to this tree (incorrectly, I might add) for what appears to be many hours, and more likely than a bath, 'to teach it a lesson'. It was an Arabian horse, and they can sometimes be more restless when tied up.

Evidently the horse did something that irritated the trainer, so it was tied to a tree well away from the stable (where the horse was pretty much guaranteed to get anxious and struggle) and left without water.

The pictures that circulated around the internet showed a large thick tree with a broken off rope around it. The trunk on one side was completely covered with blood. The ground around the tree was also covered with blood.

The horse died.

My general feeling on it is that if a youngster is not taught to stand tied when it's a lightweight, small youngster, it is just not worth the risk of letting a much heavier, larger adult 'fight it out' if it has a problem tying up. If a buyer insists on having a horse that will stand tied for hours without lifting an eyebrow, then DON'T BUY A HORSE THAT WON'T.

Sure, you MAY be able to cure an adult of pulling back or fighting a tie. Sure you might. But more likely, you won't be able to. In general, though, instead of trying to fit a round peg in a square hole, buy an adult horse that will stand tied.

If you are responsible for the horse(all you can do otherwise is notify the owner/trainer/person responsible - though if the horse looks like it's about to suffer a severe injury I will untie it and take the consequences) and it looks like it's going to get hurt tied up - untie it and put it in its stall, lead it around and hang onto it, stop it from being injured. It's pretty simple.

Don't try to apply absolutes to horses. Horses are trained in VERY different ways and they vary by temperament, build and ability to withstand stress.

Your first priority as a horseman is to keep horses and the people around them, from being injured.
 
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Thanks guys!

What I normally will do is just loop my rope through the trailer tie ring and tack up, or I will ground tie. I never really Tie, I just put the rope over the gate, ect.

But when I go to shows, I get even more stressed. Show Stress + Trailer Stressed =
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Rent a stall at the show grounds or leave the horse in the trailer where if he pulls back, the butt bar is behind him.

OR one of those pretty young ladies you know could just stand there holding the horse for you....LOL!!!

Most of the time, sport horse shows have temporary stabling, that's another reason you don't find sport horse people insisting horses must tie out. When they don't, I leave them in the trailer, or if it's hot, yep, I hang onto 'em. It's actually kinda nice, to be honest, most horses settle down very quickly at a show if they're walked around and grazed. They're better hydrated and better rested and calmer when they go into their class.

If something makes you nervous at a show, change it. Make the experience fun.

As far as leaving an adult tied to freak out not hurting it - horses die or are crippled all the time doing that. All the time.

I can't even count the number of episodes I've seen or been told about over the years I've been with horses. Thousands. The number would be higher if I were a professional trainer/instructor and ran into more horse people in the course of a day.

This happens all the time. Permanent crippling and death. All the time. All because of an idea.
 
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