Alternate worming with Safeguard

[casportpony]

This is for Safeguard multi species .5% from Safeguard packaging

GROWING TURKEY DEWORMING/FEEDING DIRECTIONS

Growing Turkeys: 14.5 grams active drug ingredient Fenbendazole/ton of feed, to be fed as the sole ration for 6 days. Example - 1 lb. of Safe-Guard

.5% should be mixed into 313 pounds of feed, to be feed as the sole ration to growing turkeys for 6 consecutive days. No Prior withdrawal of feed or water necessary. Growing turkey feeds containing Safe-Guard

0.5% can be feed pelleted or as a meal.

Since what I use is 10% weaker, mix should be 10lb to 300lb now considering Safeguards loss in effectiveness I am effectively mixing 10lb to 40lb which is only possible without poisonig the peacocks due to Safeguards extreme low toxicity. You can however notice the high level in that if fed during molt they all look like they ran into the electric fence for months.

I think mine are pigs, at times average .4lb per day including hens at a 1-4ratio.

Take a look at the label on that one again and I think that capillary worms are not mentioned.

-Kathy

 

[casportpony]

If your largest male eats .4 pounds of the feed he's only getting 18 mg, which is 3 mg/kg for a large male. Five days of that will treat large roundworms, and probably a large percentage of cecal worms, but it will not treat capillary worms.

Furthermore, a low dose of fenbendazole contraindicated when you have capillary worms and it's recommended that you do a fecal to rule them out before giving the low dose.

-Kathy

 

[casportpony]

If the largest male ate .4 pounds of feed mixed with the Multi Species product he would be getting ~2.33 mg/kg.

-Kathy

 

[EyeKeyYou]

Just says worms on label and dosings. Fenbendazole is not the wormer of choice for capillary hence ivomec and levimiasole alternate in the rotation with Safeguard but I think 18mg per bird for 5 days will offer some protection. Considering what it does to their feathers I would not go any higher on a five day treatment.
But given they won't drink the water out of a waterer when raining and individual dosing is not possible what other choices are there. I have heard of people mixing pastes with feed.

 

[casportpony]

Just says worms on label and dosings. Fenbendazole is not the wormer of choice for capillary hence ivomec and levimiasole alternate in the rotation with Safeguard but I think 18mg per bird for 5 days will offer some protection. Considering what it does to their feathers I would not go any higher on a five day treatment.
But given they won't drink the water out of a waterer when raining and individual dosing is not possible what other choices are there. I have heard of people mixing pastes with feed.

Ivermectin is not effective in treating capillary worms unless given in very large doses, but levimiasole is, but it's not as safe as fenbendazole.

KsKingBee mixes his Safeguard in a daily mash, and that seems to work for him.

Have you actually had issues with feathers when using Safeguard? I'm on my 4th or 5th liter and haven't had any trouble.

You might want to do a little research on what it takes to treat the various worms, and I can point you to tons of studies and veterinary resources if you're interested.

My fear is that those that don't like worming orally will see this and think it's okay to use, but they won't understand that they will not be treating for capillary worms, and even worse, possibly making capillary worms that are resistant to fenbendazole. Then they come online and say something like "Help, my pea is sick and I don't know why". We'll ask if they were wormed with a proper amount of Safeguard to which they will say yes, I used the 0.5% or the 0.05% as labeled without realizing that neither one of those treats capillary worms. Sigh...

-Kathy

 

[KsKingBee]

My vet recommended alternating Safeguard with Valbazen, and as Kathy pointed out I deworm by putting the required amount in a fermented feed. The trick is getting them used to eating the fermented feed before you try putting the medications in it. During the hot time of the year I don't like to feed ferment as if they don't finish it up it can mold and that has proven deadly to me once.

My concern with what EyeKeyYou is doing is building resistance by underdosing. People had been diluting Ivermec Injectable in water and now Ivermec is not effective. I would hate to see Fenbendazole loose its effectiveness too.

 

[casportpony]

My vet recommended alternating Safeguard with Valbazen, and as Kathy pointed out I deworm by putting the required amount in a fermented feed. The trick is getting them used to eating the fermented feed before you try putting the medications in it. During the hot time of the year I don't like to feed ferment as if they don't finish it up it can mold and that has proven deadly to me once.

My concern with what EyeKeyYou is doing is building resistance by underdosing. People had been diluting Ivermec Injectable in water and now Ivermec is not effective. I would hate to see Fenbendazole loose its effectiveness too.

That's also my concern...

-Kathy

 

[casportpony]

Since feather damage was mentioned in this thread I thought I'd so a little research:

This vet says feather damage can happen with wormers in the same family as fenbendazole (Safeguard): http://www.auspigeonco.com.au/Articles/Race_Form_Part3.html
Quote: This are what fret marks look like:






-Kathy

 

[EyeKeyYou]

My vet recommended alternating Safeguard with Valbazen, and as Kathy pointed out I deworm by putting the required amount in a fermented feed. The trick is getting them used to eating the fermented feed before you try putting the medications in it. During the hot time of the year I don't like to feed ferment as if they don't finish it up it can mold and that has proven deadly to me once.

My concern with what EyeKeyYou is doing is building resistance by underdosing. People had been diluting Ivermec Injectable in water and now Ivermec is not effective. I would hate to see Fenbendazole loose its effectiveness too.

You are right we have a big problem then since i am giving peafowl 8 times higher than the recommended dose on the Safeguard website and packaging and am underdosing; anyone following instructions is massively underdosing. I figure the main reason I haven't had a resistance problem is that I follow a rotation schedule and the Levimiasole is saving my peas. To me this is still the best option other than the mash as I could put 100cc per gallon of Safeguard and it won't do much good if the rain provides an alternate source of water so they are not getting what is required. On the mash do you do a 1 day feeding? What would you recommend feeding of this .05% product? Straight no mix? Like I said earlier the price is good it's like buying a bottle of Safeguard for goats and a bag of feed.

And my peas eat .4lb average. I don't know what my biggest male eats. I wish my average peas weighed in at 8kg.

In a way this thread makes me think that the only approved way of worming would be to administer each worming orally and individually to the weight of each bird; but we know that though that would be best, it is never going to happen. When they show any symptoms what so ever I catch everybody in a pen and orally dose them with Valbazen. I also tend to leave with a scar (very rarely) and usually on the last one as they have gotten excited. If I did 50 I would get tore up for sure. So I guess some dosing orally advice on large groups is asked for as well.

The feathers above are interesting as mine seemed to curl if I had seen the feathers above on my peas I would have dusted them for mites and not known the real culprit.

-Norman

 

[casportpony]

Quote: I'm confused... are you saying you are giving 8 times the recommended dose?

-Kathy