alibabba
Songster
Llamas would be awesome. Checked with my township. I can't have 4 footed creatures...stupid. I could have 15 great danes who make a world more mess than 1 llama or a mini horse. But it is what it is.
At least I can have poultry. I considered a couple turkeys or a peacock for daytime pred protection. But turns out really not necessary and would only upset the neighbors surely.
It's the night that is the problem. Although in 10 years I have seen 2 fox in the daytime, not ill and 1 raccoon.
Just a bit much on the "SSS" and "no longer with us" on a thread started against these measures. It's offensive.
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At least I can have poultry. I considered a couple turkeys or a peacock for daytime pred protection. But turns out really not necessary and would only upset the neighbors surely.
It's the night that is the problem. Although in 10 years I have seen 2 fox in the daytime, not ill and 1 raccoon.
Just a bit much on the "SSS" and "no longer with us" on a thread started against these measures. It's offensive.
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very seriously not kidding at all. but your not going to be sitting there waiting at every moment. I have many layers of protection. 4' fence surrounding my property, many coops all completly secure from everything except maybe minks. you think a fox is bad just wait until you have to deal with any member of the mink family, most can get through any hole that a mouse can, I set little box traps with rat traps inside, minks will devastate a flock overnight and return until the mink is dead. I have 6' chainlink fences for my runs that are covered in poultry netting. I have traps set 24/7 365. a dog. and last but not least my freerangers... I do not want them to get killed but id rather them then my show birds a $50 a pop... im a heritage RIR breeder and they are my main focus. these birds are locked up tight but have access to a 10x30 runs. and if you build a big enough outdoor run and dont put to many birds in it then they wont completly destroy all the vegetation and turn it into a mud pit... I dont like mud pits either. and ohhhh cant forget Sassy our Llama.... she will kill any 4 legged predator she can sink her claws into. in 3 years I have lost about 30 birds, mainly to a mink, I also had a fox kill about 6 birds in one night... me and the Llama took care of the fox, she almost killed it and it never came back... had a coyote take a turkey a couple weeks ago... I had to stake that sucker out with game cameras and wait... I missed it but it never came back either. Iv had a couple birds killed by raptors... nothing can be done about raptors just leave them alone and lock up the birds. they will leave if the food source does. 
