Am i a d Uccle

[LittleChickenRacingTeam]

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I'm currently studying to become a judge. I see no where in the Standard of Perfection that a BOOTED BANTAM is a recognized BREED.

It is a recognized CLASS, much like AOV (All Other Varieties) but not a specific breed.

 

[NYREDS]

Go to the listing of feather leg classes in the bantam section of the Standard and I think you'll find Booteds are listed seperately from d"Uccles.
AOV is something that fairs often use for entries other than the ones they specifically identify but the APA standard does list an AOV class for any breed.


Not sure if I'm being clear so let me add this:

Feather Legged: Booted, Brahmas, Cochins, d'Uccle Faverolles, Frizzles, Langshans, Silkies, Sultans

This is taken directly from the APA website. Feather Legged is the class and what follows are the breeds within the class. As you can see this breed list starts with Booted Bantams.

 

[Chickerdoodle13]

I have never heard of a booted bantam before. I have to agree with LRCT on this one...

Did you get him from a hatchery? Many D'Uccles I've ordered from a hatchery came with feather legs and no beards. They were still D'Uccles...just poor quality ones. The shows around here will disqualify a D'Uccle if it does not have a beard. Not once have I ever seen a "Booted Bantam" category, except as a description for the ENTIRE group of feather legged bantams.

He's definitely a porcelain though! Very pretty bird! If you bred him to a bearded D'Uccle, you would get birds that are more to type. They are all sweet birds though. It never mattered to me whether they had beards or not!

 

[king2]

I'm pretty sure that booted bantams are a breed. Some D'Uccle websites give descriptions of both breeds... so you can compare. He has wattles which d'uccles shouldn't have whether they have a beard or not. Mine do not have beards but they don't have wattles either.

 

[Bantymama]

I got mine from a farm supply store (L&M fleet farm). They get their chicks from Cackle Hatchery.

 

[NYREDS]

Really not worth arguing about but I hate to see people new to the fancy getting bad information-it often leads to disappointment and people giving up.
I'm an American Poultry Association General Licensed Judge #1164 and I absolutely assure you that Booted Bantams are a breed as are d'uccles.
The Booted's were the first to be admitted to the APA Standard [Whites in 1879]
Their description in the standard is the same as to type and colour except for the beard.
If the 2 breeds are mated together they will produce some bearded and some non-bearded chicks. This is a common practice with some bulk producers ie: hatcheries. The downside ot this type of breeding is the beards produced from these crosses are not as full as with pure d"Uccles.
THe Class these birds are shown in is the Feather Legged Bantams Class, not the Booted Bantams Class. Other BREEDS in this class are: Brahmas, Cochins, Faverolles, Langshans, Silkies and sultans, all of which have Feathered Legs.
LRCT, if you're really studying to be an APA judge you have only to look in your standard?

 

[LittleChickenRacingTeam]

I stand corrected, sort of. My Standard of Perfection lists this....

Dutch Booted Sabelpoot (in some countries referred to as Booted Bantams)

The breed was brought to Holland in the 17th century from China or Burma. Mr. E. C. Aldrich, Hyde Park, Massachusetts, was breeding the Booted Bantam as early as 1836. The breed was admitted to the American Poultry Associations Standard of Perfection in 1879 in the White Variety only. The standard weight of the bird is Cock 1 lb. 10 oz. / 740 grams; Cockerel and Hen, 1 lb. 6 oz./ 625 grams; Pullet 1 lb. 4 oz./570 grams. These are the weights that should be maintain for healthy birds and show weight.

The American Poultry Association in the Standard of Perfection list only the following Varieties:

1879 White

1914 Mille Fleur

1965 Porcelain

1996 Black

1996 Self Blue


Thankyou for pointing this out NYREDS. I am already overwhelmed by the info I am required to learn. Now I gotta take into account different countries may have variences in breed names.

 

[NYREDS]

My assumption was that you were referring to the APA Standard but apparently that iwas not the case. [No "Sablepoots"in my Standard]
What Standard are you referring to? What sanctioning body will you be seeking licensing from?

 

[chickenlady]

I have an APA Standard of Perfection book from 1998, It does not list them as Sablepoots (although some people still call them that) and it has booted bantams in the feather legged class in 5 different colors.

Lauren, in our spring show of 2007 up here, we had a family who raises 'sabelpoots' or booted bantams enter the show with several of them. It was definately a different breed than the d'uccle. If it has no beard, it is a booted bantam, otherwise, it looks just like a d'uccle.

Also, another slight difference is that a booted bantam usually has more of a "U" shape to the back/tail instead of the "V" shape that the d'uccle has.

The standard only recognizes a single comb on them but now with some of the crossing to get different colors, a rose comb is now appearing in some of them, which is not recognized.

 

[Cheryl]

WOW! I'm glad I just have "chickens" though I look at all the purdy ones and just get needy!