Ameraucana thread for posting pictures and discussing our birds

[Dipsy Doodle Doo]

I don't know where the confusion comes from. A bird that is Ameraucana per ASOP IS an Ameraucana . A bird that is not, is not. NOT being an ASOP Am' , does NOT make a bird an Easter Egger, and neither does it make it a penguin. Crazy thoughts some people have : )

 

[cubakid]

I don't know where the confusion comes from. A bird that is Ameraucana per ASOP IS an Ameraucana . A bird that is not, is not. NOT being an ASOP Am' , does NOT make a bird an Easter Egger, and neither does it make it a penguin. Crazy thoughts some people have : )

This is the way I see it as well. I breed several different breeds. Of course none of the others go through the scrutiny of having the hatcheries selling mutts, but that doesn't pertain IMO to standard bred birds. If I breed a BBRed Cubalaya to another BBRed Cubalaya, I still get BBRed Cubalayas, but the quality ranges. Now according to some people, if I breed the same way but breed two Wheaten Ameraucanas together, and a bird comes out with a little darker shade over the body... It is not an ameraucana? I believe it to be an Ameraucana still, just lacking like any other breed can in the color of the bird. I'm not saying that a bird that has green legs, lays green eggs, and has Partridge color pattern is any kind of Ameraucana, but things tend to be blown out of proportions.
Of course everyone has thier own opinion, and this is just mine.
I like the penguin analogy, perfect example.

 

[Reyvaughn]

This is the way I see it as well. I breed several different breeds. Of course none of the others go through the scrutiny of having the hatcheries selling mutts, but that doesn't pertain IMO to standard bred birds. If I breed a BBRed Cubalaya to another BBRed Cubalaya, I still get BBRed Cubalayas, but the quality ranges. Now according to some people, if I breed the same way but breed two Wheaten Ameraucanas together, and a bird comes out with a little darker shade over the body... It is not an ameraucana? I believe it to be an Ameraucana still, just lacking like any other breed can in the color of the bird. I'm not saying that a bird that has green legs, lays green eggs, and has Partridge color pattern is any kind of Ameraucana, but things tend to be blown out of proportions.
Of course everyone has thier own opinion, and this is just mine.
I like the penguin analogy, perfect example.

A wheaten x wheaten still is a wheaten! It's an Ameraucana recognized variety - just the quality is affected. It's when you take a silver over a wheaten and have a non-standard color when it's and EE. Like I said - that would be a MUTT in any other breed. Ameraucanas just have a cute little name for mixed bred and mixed colors - EEs. From now on, I won't call them an EE if that makes you happy. I will call them what they really are. Mutts. That will solve the whole problem. It's all about labels and irresponsible breeders validating their horrible breeding choices or lack of educating themselves before buying hatchery EEs or mixing standardized colors for non-standard mutts.

This topic is spurring a fight on the Cochin thread because someone wanted to know what they'd get out of a pure Cochin cross of two colors (something like a brown red and a silver laced). Guess what the answer was? A mutt. If it isn't SOP standardized (or a project that breeds true and trying to get standardized) it's a mutt as per Cochin breeders' own mouths.

This topic is not hard to grasp. Really.
To be an Ameraucana, as per the Ameraucana standard, it has to have certain characteristics and the proper color! Otherwise, it's not officially an Ameraucana.

Where's the beaten dead horse pic... I need it.

 

[Shaffer]

I'm pretty much a lurker on this thread but am learning a lot about the breed. (if you can get through all of the squabbling) I'm so glad there is going to be another thread for this argument and we can stop beating this dead horse!

I commend all of the experienced breeders on here for their patience.

All I can say is it is human nature when someone says " What if I breed this color to this color, what color will I get". No matter what answer you give them they are still going to cross them. They generally will not head advice from anyone no matter who tells them it is a useless effort. It is a different thing when someone is trying to improve a qualtity because they will dispatch the offsprings with ethics. It is another thing when someone wants to regain their investment and does not have any concern on the breed or hobby.

 

[Fyremare]

Definitely a "Newcomers Link" with lots of other links in it would be awesome! Maybe life would settle down and that poor horse could lay in peace...

 

[LeBlackbird]

I seem to be missing some sort of arguement. Oh well, It's good to be back again. (I certainly don't hate EEs, on the contrary I think they're very unique and beautiful. I have an equal amount of respect for EEs and Ameraucanas, they're both great in their own rights)

Anywho, I'm certainly not likely to have been remembered on this thread, So I'll reintroduce!

I used to breed Black Ameraucanas for a while, but my progress was quickly halted by a predator that broke in and killed my stock. (Phooey. I had just grabbed best of class with my birds too. Oh well...)
Well, I'm back into birds again. It was an accident, I swear, But I picked up a pair of Buff LF and a pair of Wheaton bantams. Will post pics when I get them cleaned up. They could use a good molt. (I think previous owner kept the bantams indoors all their life, possibly in wire enclosures. Their nails are extremely long and their feet are a bit wonky)

 

[BarnGoddess01]

I don't know where the confusion comes from. A bird that is Ameraucana per ASOP IS an Ameraucana . A bird that is not, is not. NOT being an ASOP Am' , does NOT make a bird an Easter Egger, and neither does it make it a penguin. Crazy thoughts some people have : )

So you prefer the off-coloured and hatchery type birds to be called "culls" or "junk" or "garbage" as is done on so many of the other breed threads? For me, I like that we can tell folks what they have is an "Easter Egger" just like Silkie folks label their non-Standard birds as "pet quality". Makes it feel like the bird is still valued and valuable even if it doesn't meet the breed standard.

 

[Fyremare]

So you prefer the off-coloured and hatchery type birds to be called "culls" or "junk" or "garbage" as is done on so many of the other breed threads? For me, I like that we can tell folks what they have is an "Easter Egger" just like Silkie folks label their non-Standard birds as "pet quality". Makes it feel like the bird is still valued and valuable even if it doesn't meet the breed standard.

Agreed!

 

[Reyvaughn]

Definitely a "Newcomers Link" with lots of other links in it would be awesome! Maybe life would settle down and that poor horse could lay in peace...

That poor horse...
I feel like that man is beating my head, though.

 

[draye]

I think folks ought to let this subject rest. (Ameraucana-Easter Egger)
It isn't worth getting the threads shut down.
Just accept the fact that EE's aren't Ameraucana's and go on. I does kind of run over me when folks refer to them as mutts.
Sometimes you can take "mutts" and make something beautiful out of it.

Folks please lets just let it alone!