Ameraucana thread for posting pictures and discussing our birds

[jajeanpierre]

No, it's an easter egger - has yellow skin.

I can't for the life of me find the post above. (Maybe it's not the SOP being poorly written and organized after all, it's ME not being able to read!)

What bird are we talking about?

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[pips&peeps]

The white one a bit farther back with the yellow beak.

 

[pips&peeps]

I HATE trying to find anything in the SOP. It is the most stupidly arranged reference book I've ever tried to read. It is so bad, I even wrote APA to volunteer to help proofread the next edition. As I expected from an organization that could put out such a mess of a book, they never responded to my offer.

I just spent a good three quarters of an hour trying to find what the penalty would be for white feathers in the a black variety. I couldn't find it. I'm sure it is there somewhere. Perhaps if I read the first 40 pages in order and then read it again and again, I might have a better understanding of their book. I try to use it by looking up a section, such as "Cutting for defects" but I find it just such a hodge podge to be almost useless.

Pips&Peeps, I read your reference to the deduction for a white toe nail, but it only talks about a white toe nail on a black-legged variety. I thought most varieties of Ameraucanas were slate. I'm sure it is a deduction somewhere, but I just can't find it. I hate that book.

It does reference the black varieties. I apply this to blue, since blue is "really" black with a modifier. I would say with two birds being equal, the bird with more or any white toenails would be placed lower.

 

[jajeanpierre]

The white one a bit farther back with the yellow beak.

Is this the bird your were talking about? I can definitely see the green legs.

Just would like to confirm. Is she an ameraucauna?

 

[pips&peeps]

yes

 

[emmyeagle]

Is this the bird your were talking about?  I can definitely see the green legs.

she does have greenish legs. Pretty pullet.

 

[heatherscooby77]

To the people breeding for lacing on blues. I am not trying to discourage you. I am doing a lacing project myself. I have been since 2012. The problem with you all keeping the birds with the better "lacing": it is actually edging. Look up the definitions in your SOP. There is a big difference. You can keep breeding your "pure" Ameraucanas together, but you will not ever get better "lacing". The genes are just not there. You need to introduce another breed into the bloodlines, to get what you need. I have tried all sorts of combinations. My best combo is phase 1, breeding Blue Andalusian, and Silver Lace Wyandotte together. Positives to this cross: they both have the lacing gene. When you mix them with the Ameraucanas it helps because you have a bird that is not Mediterranean in type, has white skin, darker earlobes, modified comb, and light creamy colored eggs. I keep only females from these crosses. Then I have taken these females and bred them to Ameraucana roosters. The chicks from this cross have at least one copy of the lacing gene, white skin, the flesh/red earlobes, and a pretty decent modified pea combs. They have not laid any eggs yet. So I don't know about the egg color. I am unsure how I will move forward but I am thinking I am going to breed them together and see what happens. Some things I expect is single gene/no muff birds, yellow skin, zero lacing, and white earlobes. It takes years to get anywhere changing/improving a birds phenotype. It all starts with the genotype!!! Good luck everyone!!!

 

[tigercreek]

To the people breeding for lacing on blues. I am not trying to discourage you. I am doing a lacing project myself. I have been since 2012. The problem with you all keeping the birds with the better "lacing": it is actually edging. Look up the definitions in your SOP. There is a big difference. You can keep breeding your "pure" Ameraucanas together, but you will not ever get better "lacing". The genes are just not there. You need to introduce another breed into the bloodlines, to get what you need. I have tried all sorts of combinations. My best combo is phase 1, breeding Blue Andalusian, and Silver Lace Wyandotte together. Positives to this cross: they both have the lacing gene. When you mix them with the Ameraucanas it helps because you have a bird that is not Mediterranean in type, has white skin, darker earlobes, modified comb, and light creamy colored eggs. I keep only females from these crosses. Then I have taken these females and bred them to Ameraucana roosters. The chicks from this cross have at least one copy of the lacing gene, white skin, the flesh/red earlobes, and a pretty decent modified pea combs. They have not laid any eggs yet. So I don't know about the egg color. I am unsure how I will move forward but I am thinking I am going to breed them together and see what happens. Some things I expect is single gene/no muff birds, yellow skin, zero lacing, and white earlobes. It takes years to get anywhere changing/improving a birds phenotype. It all starts with the genotype!!! Good luck everyone!!!

Why did you mix the Wyandotte in there? Why not just go Ameraucana to Andalusian?? Assuming you could find an Andalusian with lacing...lol

 

[pips&peeps]

Because wyandottes actually have the lacing gene. If you read the standard, a blue laced bird would be the only bird that would fit the current description written in the standard.

Andalusians also have white ear lobes and a not so great body type to cross to. I was working on this project also, but had to quit because of health reasons.

 

[tigercreek]

I have considered this for some time and thought about the Wyandotte. They are easier to find. A properly laced Andalusian is as hard to find as a laced Ameraucana. The reason I was thinking good Andalusian is because of egg color, and skin color. I'm not afraid of the single comb or ear lobes. I think you could get rid of them pretty fast, but the brown egg color and the yellow legs seems to last thru many generations... Wyandotts certainly would bring needed size to the mix... how far did you get Jean???....You may cause me to make a trip west!! .....stan