Ameraucana thread for posting pictures and discussing our birds

[minerdean]

This is my roo
I call him Hawkeye

 

[minerdean]

Here are some more of my ameraucanas

 

[unkadan]

"Green legs and yellow bottom of feet can be produced by quality Ameracuana's. Those are EE's, and can be seen at hatch.

Flat heads, narrow heads, (we need a fat broad head) wrong beaks(incorrect curve, or hook) can be seen at hatch, and fit into cull category."

I am relatively new to this breed (3 years) but having spent countless hours of research (including many discussions with qualified breeders) and having raised more than a few W/BlW this is the first time I have ever heard of this. I would think if you are finding green legs and yellow feet (at hatch) in your birds you have a problem with your breeding stock not being pure.
Also culling for head shape and beaks at hatch is pretty "iffy" to say the least.

Hopefully others with more experience will chime in, this thread is a wealth of info for new owners I don't want to muddy the waters, just seeking clarity here......

Dan

 

[Angelicisi]

I was thinking that if the yellow legs/green eggs show up its been mixed along the line somewhere. Tho I have read, we get our ameraucanas derived from a south American breed - mixed for colors etc...so somewhere along the line a yellow legger or green egger was used to sweeten the birds we have today? On rare occassion I'd think they'd pop up...but then none are technically "pure" unless from a line imported? If there was an original line (also a cross I thought I read to improve egg color...) Ug. lol glad mine are still growing and I have time to do some in depth research

"Green legs and yellow bottom of feet can be produced by quality Ameracuana's. Those are EE's, and can be seen at hatch.

Flat heads, narrow heads, (we need a fat broad head) wrong beaks(incorrect curve, or hook) can be seen at hatch, and fit into cull category."

I am relatively new to this breed (3 years) but having spent countless hours of research (including many discussions with qualified breeders) and having raised more than a few W/BlW this is the first time I have ever heard of this. I would think if you are finding green legs and yellow feet (at hatch) in your birds you have a problem with your breeding stock not being pure.
Also culling for head shape and beaks at hatch is pretty "iffy" to say the least.

Hopefully others with more experience will chime in, this thread is a wealth of info for new owners I don't want to muddy the waters, just seeking clarity here......

Dan

 

[unkadan]

I was thinking that if the yellow legs/green eggs show up its been mixed along the line somewhere. Tho I have read, we get our ameraucanas derived from a south American breed - mixed for colors etc...so somewhere along the line a yellow legger or green egger was used to sweeten the birds we have today? On rare occassion I'd think they'd pop up...but then none are technically "pure" unless from a line imported? If there was an original line (also a cross I thought I read to improve egg color...) Ug. lol glad mine are still growing and I have time to do some in depth research

good info at:

http://ameraucana.org/history.html

 

[delisha]

"Green legs and yellow bottom of feet can be produced by quality Ameracuana's. Those are EE's, and can be seen at hatch.

Flat heads, narrow heads, (we need a fat broad head) wrong beaks(incorrect curve, or hook) can be seen at hatch, and fit into cull category."

I am relatively new to this breed (3 years) but having spent countless hours of research (including many discussions with qualified breeders) and having raised more than a few W/BlW this is the first time I have ever heard of this. I would think if you are finding green legs and yellow feet (at hatch) in your birds you have a problem with your breeding stock not being pure.
Also culling for head shape and beaks at hatch is pretty "iffy" to say the least.

Hopefully others with more experience will chime in, this thread is a wealth of info for new owners I don't want to muddy the waters, just seeking clarity here......

Dan

Dan,



All my Ameracuana's came from Smith. He is a responsible quality breeder. I have gotten a green tint on legs. Yes, the green tint can lighten eventually, however if you keep it and a few others eventually you could end up with a whole batch of EE's.
That is why I personally feel culling is necessary. Or no one would have to cull. We could each buy a trio of quality birds and all the chicks would be perfect. That would be so nice.

Having a discussion about culling is very educational in my opinion. I know many people do not cull and just breed birds and hope for the best. Nothing wrong with that. I have personal goals with my birds.

Mud slinging rarely gets clarity..usually you get the muddy waters you are talking about.

Also whats up? First wattles and now culling techniques? You can disagree, nothing wrong with having a different opinion. I welcome learning more. Calling me out is a bit harsh though. Adding more useful information is very welcome even if it is different. Not everyone is going to breed or cull the same. There is a ton of information and years and years of breeder techniques on the way they cull. Here is a link that might help you out and one of my favorites.

http://archive.org/stream/BreedingA...BreedingCullingByHeadPoints#page/n23/mode/2up



For the record as long as I am defending myself. Please read the SOP about Ameracuana wattles. They are called *wattles*,as long as you requested clarity for everyone to read.

 

[unkadan]

vickie I agree, a discussion about culling is invaluable.

My point was that green legs don't show at hatch, I don't think that "head points" do either,,,,I have read that archived info you linked,,,forgive me if I am wrong but these are slow growing birds, true shape and head size doesn't appear for months.

as to the SOP and reference to wattles, pg 200 of my edition states "Wattles:very small, preferably absent"

time and again I have read and heard it 1st hand from numerous quality breeders there is and never will be a "perfect" bird, so yes culling is important in working toward that goal, however culling for the most part takes not only knowledge, experience, and the "eye" it also takes some time to let these birds mature a bit,,,,just sayin'

and btw if portraying yourself as an Ameraucana breeder you really should learn to spell the name of the breed correctly (it's a bit of a pet peeve around here)

 

[delisha]

Dan,

I appreciate the correction. My dyslexia is very embarrassing. It is just horrible when it is pointed out when I make the same error over and over. I hope you continue to correct every mistake I make. I might eventually be able to get it.

 

[CCCCCCCCHICKENS]

Dan,



All my Ameracuana's came from Smith. He is a responsible quality breeder. I have gotten a green tint on legs. Yes, the green tint can lighten eventually, however if you keep it and a few others eventually you could end up with a whole batch of EE's.
That is why I personally feel culling is necessary. Or no one would have to cull. We could each buy a trio of quality birds and all the chicks would be perfect. That would be so nice.

Having a discussion about culling is very educational in my opinion. I know many people do not cull and just breed birds and hope for the best. Nothing wrong with that. I have personal goals with my birds.

Mud slinging rarely gets clarity..usually you get the muddy waters you are talking about.

Also whats up? First wattles and now culling techniques? You can disagree, nothing wrong with having a different opinion. I welcome learning more. Calling me out is a bit harsh though. Adding more useful information is very welcome even if it is different. Not everyone is going to breed or cull the same. There is a ton of information and years and years of breeder techniques on the way they cull. Here is a link that might help you out and one of my favorites.

http://archive.org/stream/BreedingA...BreedingCullingByHeadPoints#page/n23/mode/2up



For the record as long as I am defending myself. Please read the SOP about Ameracuana wattles. They are called *wattles*,as long as you requested clarity for everyone to read.

Thanks for posting this link. I read a few pages and bookmarked it and plan to read all of it later on. I know some things that people usually cull for, but this is very helpful to me. I have never culled a chicken before,but If I am going to start breeding (which will be soon) I dont want to have bad chickens. I would like to try to improve the birds I have now. The people I got eggs from had gotten from well know breeders and either this year or next year I am going to order directly from some of the breeders listed on the ABC. Some of the ones that are culls I may keep to sell very cheap to someone that just wants some pet quality chickens. If you know of any links that might be helpful to me I would appreciate if you could post a link. Really anything along of the lines of breeding, culling, genetics.I have read a lot of different article, but knowledge cant hurt and I love reading information like this. I have been using google some to find articles but sometimes google dosent bring up the best information. I only read 3 pages of that link and thought it was great. I will probably read it all tomorrow. Thanks

 

[delisha]

I am sure many people will help you with more information, i am delighted to share what I have and like at any time.

http://archive.org/stream/cu31924003158312#page/n31/mode/2up


Line breeding


http://bloslspoutlryfarm.tripod.com/id60.html

Rotation breeding

http://bloslspoutlryfarm.tripod.com/id60.html

Simplified culling guide

http://poultryone.com/articles/culling-html

Cute clip about showing
http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q...A8311D57276FF55EA2F6&first=0&FORM=NVPFVR&qpvt