Ameraucana thread for posting pictures and discussing our birds

The birds stay the basically the same color from chick to adult except for the hackle, saddle and lacing color coming in as they mature.

I don't understand your comment about the photos being dark. They are posted below and I can see them just fine.

I also don't understand your attitude.

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Beautiful roo. Love the chicks too but he is gorgeous.
 
Perhaps you can see just fine because you know what you are looking for. I see a very dark bird body with light reflecting off the feathers. I do not see any pattern in the feathers. I do see gold color in the feathers around the head and neck, but it seems mottled with black, like a splash rather than penciling or lacing.

My attitude was explained fully in a PM, but since you brought it up I will just say here in reponse that when you are telling a newbee who believes she does have a "true" Ameracauna that she, in fact does not, you could be tactful about it. Your response came like a slap on the face, especially since I had looked at the club website, this thread, and everything of authority I could find on the internet.

Perhaps the root of the problem lies in the APA holding the breed standards hostage. I cannot afford $54 for a full book just to read about one breed of chicken. Not your fault of course (and kudos for getting permission to at least post a portion on the club website), but another contributing factor is that your club website does not show juvenile stage of growth (in addition to my above comment on the specific photo you posted). Pullets, to me, just look like a mess. You could consider adding pullet stage as well as posting close ups of feathers from the various parts of the body that are perfect and that are faulted for comparison to alleviate confusion and help protect those super double secret breed standards
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Kikiriki,

I haven't been following this threat for a few days so haven't read the conversation prior to this.

I'm sorry you feel offended. I see it a lot on this web site--people come on here with their feed-store chickens that they believe are purebred Ameraucanas only to find out they have Easter Eggers which are basically crossbreds, in other words mutts. Believe me, I can understand your disappointment.

You have no idea how many people just like yourself come on here and are disappointed. They have either been sold a crossbred (Easter Egger) knowingly by the supplier or the supplier/breeder doesn't realize they have a mongrel bird.

There is no excuse for Easter Eggers ever being sold in a feed store as anything other than an Easter Egger because feed stores buy their chicks from big hatcheries who darn well know better. Hatcheries spelling Ameraucana with an "i" (Americana) is just plain fraud.

The other group who sell mongrels as purebred are people like yourself who bought what they thought was purebred and then bred from them.

A blue egg-laying gene does not make the breed Ameraucana. Easter Eggers should actually out perform Ameraucanas as layers. If I were breeding an Easter Egger, I would breed a blue-egg-laying bird that carries two blue-egg genes to a production white-egg layer. All the resulting pullets would lay blue eggs AND probably be a superior egg layer in size and number. There is a lot ofupside to Easter Eggers.

Many on this list are very serious breeders/exhibitors. It is tiring to repeatedly explain why a person doens't have a purebred Ameraucana. Sometimes experienced Ameraucana fanciers only give a simple two-word answer, "Easter Egger," with no explanation. A lot of feelings get hurt with curt replies. That said, "curt" is in the eye of the beholder.

Sometimes the owner of an Easter Egger will argue with those that are intimately involved with the breed. I understand the frustration the serious breeders/exhibitors (who might also be the founders of this lovely breed) feel when they have to look at pictures of mongrel birds over and over again. As an Ameraucana fancier, it is heartbreaking to see so many obviously mongrel birds passed off by sellers as purebred. I have almost never seen this in the other breed I am involved with.

You can't blame the APA for this confustion because it doesn't allow the standards to be copied. Seeing the standard in print is not necessary, because the varieties (colors and feather patterns) are standard for all chickens. The description of a wheaten will be the same regardless of the breed. The standard is important to get an idea of the shape, but most Easter Eggers can be identified simply by their color/feather pattern. A brown red Ameraucana is the same color as a brown red Old English Game. You can find those descriptions in other places besides the APA's SOP.

I hope this takes a bit of the sting out of how you feel about us right now.
 
The birds stay the basically the same color from chick to adult except for the hackle, saddle and lacing color coming in as they mature.

I don't understand your comment about the photos being dark. They are posted below and I can see them just fine.

I also don't understand your attitude.

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I found someone on the breeders list in my state
 
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County fairs don't help either. Every year I see EEs labled as ameraucana and given ribbons. Some adult in the 4H group or fair board decided that the really common EE hen color is blue wheaten. I really want someone to enter a real wheaten hen of any breed someday. I'd love someone to enter a real ameraucana. The livestock entries are only open to under 18.

I've considered asking if I can set up an educational display. Put a few hens on display to show the difference between ameraucanas in wheaten and blue wheaten, and EEs.

Someone had non-hatchery silkies this year. It was a night and day difference between them and the hatchery birds. They didn't really look like the same breed but you can tell the hatchery one is a silkie even if badly bred. I wish it was at least like that for ameraucanas
 
County fairs don't help either. Every year I see EEs labled as ameraucana and given ribbons. Some adult in the 4H group or fair board decided that the really common EE hen color is blue wheaten. I really want someone to enter a real wheaten hen of any breed someday. I'd love someone to enter a real ameraucana. The livestock entries are only open to under 18.

I've considered asking if I can set up an educational display. Put a few hens on display to show the difference between ameraucanas in wheaten and blue wheaten, and EEs.

Someone had non-hatchery silkies this year. It was a night and day difference between them and the hatchery birds. They didn't really look like the same breed but you can tell the hatchery one is a silkie even if badly bred. I wish it was at least like that for ameraucanas
My county does youth and open. My small livestock super was telling me this year there would be no "best in show" or grand champion for open because I was the only person that correctly labeled my birds; the rest were entered as "red laying hen" grey & white girl, black rooster, ect.... I told her next year she needs to put it in the book that they must be labeled according to breed and variety as used by the APA or they will be judged as 'mixed breed' or 'pet chicken' Also maybe have some informational days ahead of fair time.
 
That was such a thoughtful and considerate response, and I appreciate it very much. For new people, however, the descriptions are vital! Had I seen good photos of what a pullet ought to look like, or at least been able to see a thorough description, I would not have come home with Easter Eggers! I looked at the conformation points that were on the club site and paid attention to leg color, and what was visible thus far of ear, eyes, tail, muffs, beard, but feather color and pattern are not discussed...is it any wonder so many newbies are messing up in puchases and breeding? Since coloring is so entwined in what makes an Ameraucana a breed, it should be covered extensively and thoroughly. Pretend you know nothing, and start searching for information... It is disheartening.

Thanks you again! And I do understand how frustrating it must be to constantly have to repeat the same thing... My phone number, for example, is very close those for a drug store, a hot dog place, and work release! "No, I'm sorry this still isn't CVS..." (after the third attempt at dialing the same wrong number...)
"I'm sorry, this a private home and your parole officer doesn't work here"
"Sorry, I only cook take out for my husband, but we're having liver and onions for dinner if you'd like to come have a bite..." ;)
 
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After reading a ton of threads I am now Ameraucana paranoid.

My 8 day old now (bought at 3 days) were sold to be as Black/Splash Amerauacanas. Now I know sexing is almost impossible at this stage but feel like I have at least 3 possible hens and 2 roos.


My main concern I guess is if they are Ameraucanas or is this something I have to wait to find out after they feather/lay?

Betsy


Gertrude/Gertie


Clementine


Maggie (I feel like this bad boy is a roo, he's the boss)



Ruby (this one may be a roo boss #2)
you must be a professional photographer, really nice photos! there's actually a photography club/forum here on backyard chickens.
 
FWIW, Black Copper Marans is another breed that is tough to get good SOP birds for breeding; they are bred with other breeds and passed off as "pure" or they are full of dubious "junk" genes. It just so happens that other than Ameraucanas they are what I'm interested in breeding! I think it's funny that as a beginner I've gravitated to two of the more problematical breeds. Compared to BCMs though, if you can get your hands on real Ameraucanas, they are much easier to breed and get good specimens from that breeding. For that reason, I'm considering them my "easier" experiment.

Now if I can just get my hands on a beautiful White Am cockerel...
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FWIW, Black Copper Marans is another breed that is tough to get good SOP birds for breeding; they are bred with other breeds and passed off as "pure" or they are full of dubious "junk" genes. It just so happens that other than Ameraucanas they are what I'm interested in breeding! I think it's funny that as a beginner I've gravitated to two of the more problematical breeds. Compared to BCMs though, if you can get your hands on real Ameraucanas, they are much easier to breed and get good specimens from that breeding. For that reason, I'm considering them my "easier" experiment.

Now if I can just get my hands on a beautiful White Am cockerel...
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NoseyChickens in Southern California has beautiful white Ameraucanas.
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I messaged NoseyChickens and she no longer has Ameraucanas. Thanks for the tip though! I'm hoping to find a source by this spring.
 
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