Ameraucana thread for posting pictures and discussing our birds

[samouw]

I will definitely keep track of the ones I breed just in case it pops up again. It is odd that none other have it, but since there isn't a history of the leakage in the bloodline, could have been a mutation in that one bird? Things like that can happen. I don't know, just throwing out ideas.

Spontaneous mutations can happen, but they're not that common. I did some studying of spontaneous mutations, related to a deadly syndrome in Labrador Retrievers, tricuspid valve dysplasia. Some folks were not accepting this was a genetic problem at all, but the result of recurring identical spontaneous mutations. Uhm...nope. Spontaneous mutations just aren't that common, and the statistical probability of them all being alike is astronomical.

Of course, none of that has anything to do with this. lol It is more likely that this is a hidden gene that was exposed when just the right genetic combination occurred between the two lines. I'll just really need to watch for it and track it down.

 

[Chicken5555]

That makes sense.

 

[Ravynscroft]

I talked to Clif about it, too - said he's never seen red leakage in his lines. I didn't call Paul, but I've never heard of red leakage from any of his blacks.  I dunno...it's strange.

Even though both pens were an outcross, of sorts, Clif's birds came from Paul's birds, so it wasn't an extreme crossing of vastly different lines.  I'm puzzled by this, but will be watching the birds here for it, too.

Red leakage has shown in some of Paul's blues, a mutual friend still has his leaky blue I believe for EE's... does Paul mix his blues and blacks ever?

I will definitely keep track of the ones I breed just in case it pops up again. It is odd that none other have it, but since there isn't a history of the leakage in the bloodline, could have been a mutation in that one bird? Things like that can happen. I don't know, just throwing out ideas.

Crossing same colors from differentlines can bring very odd things to surface... it's just one of those chances you take from outcrossing, but when the pros outweigh the cons, you do what's best...

Spontaneous mutations can happen, but they're not that common.  I did some studying of spontaneous mutations, related to a deadly syndrome in Labrador Retrievers, tricuspid valve dysplasia.  Some folks were not accepting this was a genetic problem at all, but the result of recurring identical spontaneous mutations. Uhm...nope.  Spontaneous mutations just aren't that common, and the statistical probability of them all being alike is astronomical.

Of course, none of that has anything to do with this.  lol  It is more likely that this is a hidden gene that was exposed when just the right genetic combination occurred between the two lines.  I'll just really need to watch for it and track it down.

In a perfect world, every bird would be perfect... but that doesn't exist so all any of us can do is our best and continue forward...

 

[Chicken5555]

Red leakage has shown in some of Paul's blues, a mutual friend still has his leaky blue I believe for EE's... does Paul mix his blues and blacks ever?
Crossing same colors from differentlines can bring very odd things to surface... it's just one of those chances you take from outcrossing, but when the pros outweigh the cons, you do what's best...

In a perfect world, every bird would be perfect... but that doesn't exist so all any of us can do is our best and continue forward...

I don't know if he mixes is blacks and blues, but if he does that would explain where the leakage came from. Smart thinking.

 

[Ravynscroft]

I don't know if he mixes is blacks and blues, but if he does that would explain where the leakage came from. Smart thinking.

Just tossing out thoughts... please don't take it as finger pointing... figured if that is what happened, it might help track the source down... could just be from crossing lines though, or a random fluke...

 

[samouw]

Red leakage has shown in some of Paul's blues, a mutual friend still has his leaky blue I believe for EE's... does Paul mix his blues and blacks ever?
Crossing same colors from differentlines can bring very odd things to surface... it's just one of those chances you take from outcrossing, but when the pros outweigh the cons, you do what's best...

In a perfect world, every bird would be perfect... but that doesn't exist so all any of us can do is our best and continue forward...

Good point - I have heard about leakage in some of the blues from Paul, too, but I don't think he crosses them that much. I know he will bring a black into his blue line when he feels like there is something lacking that the blacks have, or that the color needs some "refreshing".

Yep, no one breeds the perfect bird - we just all do the best we can do. When you get results like the cockerel I posted earlier, I consider the cross a success. lol

 

[Chicken5555]

No, no I'm not taking it as finger pointing ... just an 'ah-ha' moment.

 

[samouw]

No, no I'm not taking it as finger pointing ... just an 'ah-ha' moment.

Oh, no! I didn't take it that way...my bad.

I'm glad we're talking about this..it's not only an education and (red flag) for me, but for others, too. What is out in the open can be dealt with, it is only when things are hidden that problems arise.

 

[Ravynscroft]

Good point - I have heard about leakage in some of the blues from Paul, too, but I don't think he crosses them that much.  I know he will bring a black into his blue line when he feels like there is something lacking that the blacks have, or that the color needs some "refreshing".

Yep, no one breeds the perfect bird - we just all do the best we can do.   When you get results like the cockerel I posted earlier, I consider the cross a success. lol

Exactly so! And he is a prime example and a fine specimen...

I still have no hesitation in recommending yours, Clif's or Paul's lines to anyone... still great quality stock all around...

No, no I'm not taking it as finger pointing ... just an 'ah-ha' moment.

I have those more often than I should... meaning I usually can't see the obvious or simple things right in front of my face for looking for the complicated, lol...

 

[Chicken5555]

Exactly so! And he is a prime example and a fine specimen...

I still have no hesitation in recommending yours, Clif's or Paul's lines to anyone... still great quality stock all around...

I have those more often than I should... meaning I usually can't see the obvious or simple things right in front of my face for looking for the complicated, lol...

Totally right. They have amazing birds. And yeah, I tend to complicate things so much that the simple things elude me.